Thursday, 2 February 2012

Who Founded The EU And Their Influence Today

I know this is a longish video but it's of importance to us all.

The video is based on a speech by Rodney Atkinson at a public meeting at the Houses of Parliament on 26 February 2008 - updated in 2010.

Rodney Atkinson is a former adviser to Ministers and an internationally praised author of 6 books on political economy and the crisis caused by the European superstate.  He has broadcast on radio and television in the UK, Germany, Poland, Yugoslavia, Austria and the USA and his books have been sold in more than 50 countries.


footdee said...

oh dear rosa ,what next a video from a compound in Idaho

Bill said...

I've read about this gent before; frankly I think he is a bit of a nutter. Of course he is welcome to say and write what he wants to, but I won't be wasting my time listening to him droning on about his obsession.

Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophers said...

It presents a chilling concept, but is it credible as a conspiracy that creates incompetence in order to breed incompetence?

I have no time for the EU, its deficit of democratic process nor its failure to openly define its aims in any meaningful way that would allow its fitness for purpose to be measured.

Equally I have no time for inner temples and star chambers such as the Bilderberg group or Davos circus where influence is weighed, traded then introduced into the web of democratic process.

But then, to my mind, the model of democracy as practised by Westminster is an equally tawdry web of self serving process.

So why fight for the sovereignty of a failed parliament and the political parties committed to it, over that of a sovereign people?

Anon said...

Good video.

The centre of fascism in Europe is NATO.

Operation Gladio, like Operation Northwoods, was typical fascism.

It's interesting that the Zionists, in the early 1930s, were fans of Hitler.

Some of the key figures at Bilderberg are Jewish.

- Aangirfan

subrosa said...

Is that what you want footdee?

I believe in at least being informed of all sides of debate and don't necessarily agree with all said here, but at least I'm willing to acknowledge other views rather than keep myself in my comfy bubble.

I take it you didn't like it then? ;)

Gedguy said...

I am confident that I can refute, or at least disregard, many of his claims. I do agree that the EU is heading towards a superstate; Of course it is. That was always the point behind the Common Market and its successor the EU. We all knew that leading Nazis, after the war, were employed to take up important positions in the German government. We needed them to stop all of Germany falling into the hands of the USSR.
I know that you are sceptical about the EU but to say that it is the child of the German Nazis is just plain silly. Now, if he had said that it is under the thumb of a fascist USA, well, I might agree with that. Is fascism on the rise, of course not, it has never left us; even at the time of the Romans, who were as fascist as it could possibly be. Do we live in a democracy? Hardly, but we have always known this. So, I don't know what he is really on about or what he wants us to do about it.
I can only assume that you are worried that the SNP is about to lead us into a fascist superstate, I don't see it that way, but, of course, we are all entitled to our beliefs.

subrosa said...

Fair do's Bill. As I said it's another view of the EU and outwith most folks' comfort zone.

subrosa said...

Why indeed Crinkly.

Brian said...

A quick google finds articles claiming that the EU is a communist conspiracy. I was surprised that no mention was made of the true architects, Salter, Monnet, Schuman. Salter set out the mechanism for the EU in his 1931 book The United States of Europe (download here)

Rowan's brother doesn't help his case by cherrypicking facts that support it - give me a while and I could do a hatchet job on sports organisations and fascists or Arabs and Nazis, for example.
As for the numbers of ex-Nazis in German government, that was an admission of the extent of the Party's totalitarian reach - even members of the German resistance were Nazi Party members and careers demanded membership.

Sheila said...

Won't load properly for me but the problem is my end. Will make a point of watching it over the weekend if my broadband sorts itself out.

Can't comment on the video for now but wanted to share this article on the SNP and Europe which I found most informative:

Edward Spalton said...

There have been many plans for uniting Europe politically. Monnet, Schumann & Co were not fascists but (to use a cricket analogy) their lower order batsmen and second eleven frequently were. I translated "Europaeische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft" (European Economic Community), published in Berlin in 1942. The lead paper was by the Reichsminister for the Economy and President of the Reichsbank, Walther Funk.

If you took away the contemporary references, there was nothing in the book which could not have come out of Brussels in the last fifty years - common agricultural policy, single currency etc, all there. I think it is interesting that Monnet & Co used the Nazi title for their project, presumably relying on some "brand loyalty".

In 1958 when I went on a school trip to Hanover, our German contemporaries asked asked "Have you heard about our Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft? It will guarantee our living standard". That was within one year of the Rome Treaty.

It was only when I translated the book forty years later that I discovered that Funk had been released early from his Nuremberg sentence by then and had been found a post in the Education Ministry of Lower Saxony. It is reasonable to suppose that he was responsible for what our education authorities now call "the European dimension" of the curriculum. Coincidence has an awfully long arm.

In some ways the Nazi label is misleading. The Nazis invented no new theory. The Imperial German government had a similar scheme. You can even go back to 1848 before Germany was a unified state. The delegates at the Frankfurt parliament of the failed revolution of that year decided that Eastern Europe and the Balkans (then parts of the Austrian and Turkish empires) were part of Germany's natural economic hinterland and that Germany should not tolerate the rise of any significant Slavic state in the region.
And in 1999, bingo! At strong German insistence, the West launched its unprovoked attack on Yugoslavia.

The modern German state grew out of a "Common Market" - the Zollverein (Customs Union), so it is a quite normal thought progression in the official German world view to see a unified, single state as the natural outcome of any such arrangement.

The history sections in the German website

are worth a look in this respect. The bibliography is enormous.

subrosa said...

That's my opinion of various actions of NATO also Aangirfan.

subrosa said...

What many are saying is that they never voted to belong to a superstate - on to a Common Market trade agreement.

It would appear many Scots aren't interested in the foundations of the current EU however, as you know, I don't like it and you do.

subrosa said...

I think I'll leave my answer to you in the good care of Edward (below) Brian.

subrosa said...

It's another opinion Sheila that's all.

Thanks for the link. I'll keep it safe.

subrosa said...

Thank you for your detailed contribution Edward.

Observer said...

This is genuinely offensive.

Observer said...

I know we are in a politically bad place, but is that an excuse for people such as the man in the video to lose their minds?

The advance of the political class & the banksters is something to be opposed; I will be the first on the battle line to do that(in fact I have been there already & am battle ready now)

But it needs to be rational.

Apogee said...

Hi SR. A very interesting video and we should take note of what it tells us. It is history and we ignore it at our peril. What it states about the make up of the EU seems to cross reference with other sources.

Gedguy, what can you refute of this.I would assume if it was wrong and/or libellous, legal action would have been taken, long ago to correct it.

Observer, I agree that the whole European Union is grossly offensive and I do not think the "man in the video" has lost his mind, but I do think IMHO and that of many others that the politicians and governments that got us into this mess, against the wishes of the majority of people in this country, and by procedures verging on fraud and treason, should be held to account ASAP. The banksters you are on about stole a little money. The EU is stealing YOUR COUNTRY. Where are your priorities?

subrosa said...

In what way offensive Observer? The speaker was invited to speak at a public meeting in the Houses of Parliament. I doubt if what was said couldn't be verified that would have been permitted.

People are not bound to agree with all we read or hear, but it's good to be able to understand the other side's argument a little more surely.

subrosa said...

Thanks for your comment Apogee. Yes I'm sure what is said here is easily verified through 'respectable' history sites, just as today's events will be read and recorded in 50 years hence.

Edward Spalton said...

Many of your readers, I am sure, will know of the Swedish author, Jan Myrdal, a man of the moderate left. A very interesting paper of his appears in the European Voices section on . His description of the Nazis he met and their propaganda in wartime, neutral Sweden is enlightening, as is his general view of the EU superstate.

We mostly accept things at face value, as the media presents them to us, and the "front shop" of the European project is quite an attractive offer. As a young man in the mid Sixties I was a moderate europhile. The mainland European countries were doing distinctly better than Britain which seemed a relatively shabbier, strike- -prone place.

This impression was reinforced by visits to the Netherlands where our firm was negotiating a technology-sharing agreement with a Dutch animal feed company.

Then something gave me pause for thought. I was being entertained by one of the Dutch directors who explained the workings of the Common Agricultural Policy to me. It seemed an utter nightmare, compared with the free trade in food which we then enjoyed. Why on earth, I asked, had Holland accepted such a system. "Little Holland is neighbour of big Germany" said my host in a matter-of-fact way " And the Germans wanted it".

I was very junior and felt I had spoken out of turn because I knew that this Dutchman had also flown with the RAF. So I shut up.

It would be about eight years later, whilst newly in the toils of the CAP that I realised there must be an ideology behind such an elaborate construct - an ideology for which British politics gave no frame of reference. I then started digging, as work and family commitments allowed, and each stone I turned over had something nastier underneath.

Fascism is not what most people think it is. It was once considered very "progressive" although the progressive people who flirted with it and later became influential on the left have mostly covered their tracks. For an American view from a different angle, I would recommend "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg. "Liberal" is used in the American sense to mean more or less "socialist" or "left wing".

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