Friday, 18 May 2012

A Green Mess

Well, well, I was not surprised to read the Green Deal scheme is in a mess and the consumer group Which? is concerned that the savings on energy bills, promised to consumers, may not actually materialise.

Once Which? started analysing the scheme they found that, although there will be personalised assessment, the amount a Green Deal company can lend a consumer won't be calculated taking their actual energy use into account, it will be based instead on average figures.

Also they found there is no guarantee and no redress if consumers end up paying more than they save.

A few weeks ago I wrote about the Green Deal scheme and my concerns about its operation.  Westminster leaders didn't listen to me but I'm sure they will listen to Richard Lloyd, the director of Which?

Why are we so committed to these 'green' issues when China continues to ignore their 'Measures on Environmental Information Disclosure' laws which came into force in May 2008, the US is reported as putting their own environmental issues on the back burner and Canada has shut down its green business advisers' agency?

Are we the UK, once again, being conned by politicians who are doing nothing about controlling the cost to the public and consumers their green energy policies generate?


RMcGeddon said...

As soon as I see the word 'green' I just substitute 'scam' and move on.
A friend wanted to sell her house recently and had to put up £1,000 in cash before it could go ahead legally.
£750 for a home report ( energy report and building survey combined) and £250 for advertising.
England dumped the home report in favour of a £60 energy report but Scotland kept the whole thing.
She's now trying to get a loan of £1,000 so she can sell her house and downsize to a house she can afford to heat. Energy prices are increasing so that land owners and power companies can profit from wind mills.
Our Alice in Wonderland country lol. Laugh out loud not lots of love ;)

Apogee said...

RMcG. Completely agree with your comments. Having just read the blurb
on this,I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. The whole idea seems based on a scam and you would be extremely likely to end up with more expense than you expected,and also trouble you did not expect if you tried to sell your house before it was paid back.
More like the funny farm than Alice in Wonderland!

JRB said...

Anything that describes itself as ‘green’ has now become totally synonymous for something that lies between being a ‘total scam’ or a ‘white elephant’.

Joe Public said...

I add my agreement to your above 3 x commenters.

"Green" = Euphemism for goods & services heavily subsidised by the many, for the financial benefit of the few.

Cash Flow is invariably from Poorer to Richer - like a Tax in reverse.

Weekend Yachtsman said...

"...there is no guarantee and no redress if consumers end up paying more than they save."

A green scheme that doesn't pay its way?

Say it ain't so!

Jockdownsouth said...

Some of you may have been interested in Michael Mann's (in)famous "Hockey Stick" or even have read Andrew Montford's book, "The Hockey Stick Illusion". This link to a recent post by Steve McIntyre really exposes how much cherry picking was involved. Are they fraudsters, or just incompetent (or both?

Joe Public said...


"Are they fraudsters, or just incompetent (or both)?"

They are extremely competent.

It takes a vast amount of skill & expertise to cherry pick the correct 'data' or proxy, so that it agrees with your preconceived hypothesis or model.

subrosa said...

The more I hear of these home reports the more I get angry RM. They're a total scam.

No lol-ing here.

subrosa said...

And we're expected to go with the flow Apogee.

subrosa said...

Nonsense in other words JRB.

subrosa said...

It is a tax on the poor Joe.

subrosa said...

Sorry, WY, can't say that because it is so.

subrosa said...

Thanks for the link Jockdownsouth. I've read it before and I say fraudsters. They weren't incompetent, but competent fraudsters.

RMcGeddon said...

I've been following that tree ring data story on wattsupwiththat, bishophill and scottishsceptic etc.
Basically the whole trillion dollar global warming scam is down to a tiny data set of 8 trees and one tree in particular. Data sets of hundreds of trees nearby that showed no warming and no sudden hockey stick shape rise in temps at the end of the 20th century were ignored.
And to get to the truth of this takes years of FOI requests and confronting lies from civil servants.

Furor Teutonicus said...

XX Joe Public said...
"Green" = Euphemism for goods & services heavily subsidised by the many, for the financial benefit of the few. XX

And that is exactly why they are called "Die Melone" here.

Green outside, and inside, red as a Moscow May day parade marshalls wet dream.

Furor Teutonicus said...

XX RMcGeddon said...

As soon as I see the word 'green' I just substitute 'scam' and move on. XX

You dislexic or did you purposefully write "a" instead of "u"?

RMcGeddon said...

FT..either vowel is appropriate ;)

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