From Twitter last night. Marvellous isn't it just how much some of our youth respect those who fought and died for the freedoms they enjoy today. Such a shame a few spoil the well-intentioned actions of so many. Surely this person knows that there is a great possibility they will be filmed acting in such a manner. He/she is very lucky the flag is holding their weight.
I've no doubt the culprit will be identified and the usual excuses given.
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And if they are, what will they get? A slap on the wrist, if that?
There was talk on Twitter that they get kicked out of their university. I don't know Julia. I've no idea how many there were actual students.
As Dioclese said...'Students don't need to wear balaclavas'
The picture above should , and no doubt will, upset anyone who doesn't have mud for brains. It's certainly made me cross!
The statue says "the glorious dead"
They died for the bankers. Freedom was a by product.
Freedom has now been removed by aforesaid bankers.
I'd burn the Union flag.
SR. That culprit hanging from the flag is reported to be Charlie Gilmour , son of the Pink Floyd guitarist.
'We don't need no educashin ' right enough.
To be fair the Cenotaph no longer has the gravitas it once had. Hundreds of our troops are now sent off to die in pointless wars annually while Cast iron and Bliar before him mumble platitudes at PMQ's. To see them on 11/11 bowing at the cenotaph makes me feel ashamed.
At least the students are exercising a tiny bit of freedom before they too will be fed into the machine run by the elite who sit up high laughing at us.
I see little glory in being dead Rosie , I am sorry but life is for the living, this little nerk however should be sent out to a front line somewhere where he can demonstrate his individuality and disrespect to our troops as much as he thinks fit!
I don't see ANY problem with BLOWING UP a damn war memorial because those entombed in the structure are not held with any respect by the STATE. It's a shame people died, but grieving is private, and the state merely manipualtes public opinion with war memorials and the like in order to justify their other agendas. And I don't think that I'm going to go with the popular thought of respecting a big stone phallus when the government allows the disgusting subhuman arms traders front row seats at memorial days.
The dead are remembered by their families and friends, the state has no right to intern their memories for political ends.
I bet you're proud lazaruszine, that you have the freedom to publicly voice your opinion; and, readers worldwide can read it.
Ironic isn't it, that so many British service people (and millions of other nationalities) gave their lives for you to enjoy that freedom.
[You could always emigrate to China, a totalitarian state that daren't even let its citizens know one of them has won a peace prize.]
I once knew a guy who worked on a very large country estate in Scotland.
From time to time he was employed, by the UK spooks, to attend demos in London and cause mayhem.
The more violence the better.
His job as an agent provocateur was to discredit 'left wing' protests.
He also did some work in Eastern Europe.
People power demonstrations are usually orchestrated by the sort of guys who, back in the 1930s, were fans of Hitler.
Such fans of totalitarianism and feudalism are still around, and occupy top positions in the military, security services, police etc.
The country estate was not near Dundee.
It is distressing that children aren't taught respect for the dead at even primary school nowadays Cato.
Highland Cooncil, I know someone who would agree with you.
Strathturret, until we're a nation again, I think the Union flag is appropriate at the Cenotaph.
I see none Nomine. There's nothing glorious about warfare.
That's a good idea. It may do a lot of them good to do that during their 'gap years' which seemingly they can fund.
A war memorial is a public contribution towards showing sympathy for those who died in wars and other conflicts lazaruszine. I think it's important to have such a focal point in every community.
But you do have one point with which I can more or less agree.
How often are the general public seem visiting them or on Remembrance Day? As you say, most grieve in private. I've known families of the dead be turned away from Remembrance Day services because 'there wasn't enough room for them'. Yet there was plenty room for the town elite.
I kind of understand what he means Joe.
Ah Anon (is that you Aangirfan?) that doesn't surprise me. Nor does it surprise me he didn't work near Dundee. :)
However, if you study these protests and this latest one in particular, how did the mob know Charlie was having a wee night out at the theatre and would be passing that way? Interesting isn't it.
"how did the mob know Charlie was having a wee night out at the theatre?" The mob might not have known SR though the Royal Variety Performance is hardly a surprise is it?
The spooky people who would have chosen Charlies route would have known all about the protests though, their mood and methods and intentions. Nothing like a bit of Royal Pandemonium to get middle England/Scotland offside from the students.
Jings banned, I'm thicker than usual today. Of course Royal Variety Performance = royalty.
I wonder if it had been me in my car if the PM would have expressed such outrage.
Such a pity the NUS can't ensure the students stick to the route planned together with the police. That would help a great deal I think. Mind you anon's comment gives food for thought.
Joe Public: your argument is a little redudant, I can't very well go back in time and join in the fight against the Nazis, so seeking to discredit me based on the struggles of others is a little pointless. I will, however, point out that it wasn't the fight against the fascists which the people engaged in that we can thank for the freedoms of speech that we enjoy today, and that many of the people venerated in war memorials and statues were in fact ardent enemies of things such as the vote for women (thank you Mr. Churchill). Also I don't think that you took to heart my point about not using the ghosts of the dead for alternative political agendas?
subrosa; Thank you, I really do think that there is a horrible privitisation rather than private element to many war memorial services today. I still think that the very objects themselves are offensive and grossly inappropriate reminders that can serve other political agendas, however.
Also the fact you think that the NUS has a say anymore is a little misled I think. The NUS has been tarred with the same brush as the Lib Dems, because students know now that the NUS is just a gateway to the Labour party and have no real care for students at all.
Lazaruszine, we'll have to agree to disagree on war memorials, or the original meaning of them. I write as one of a generation who still respect these public memorials although more and more of us realise they're only public if our leaders don't need them for their political ends.
Younger generations won't be so impressed.
Nevertheless, there's no need to deface them in any way is there?
You're very possible correct about the NUS. On a live blog last night those who have far more knowledge than me about them said exactly the same.
I guess we will have to disagree! I should of course state that I mean no disrespect to those that they commemorate, merely that I take issue with the concept of the memorial and its co-optation!
As for defacing things... 'they ignore peaceful protest' comes to mind. Much as I would like to live in a world where the people could be heard through marching and petitioning alone, the NUS has shown clearly how ineffective such tactics are. Of course, the problem is that the mainstream media will rise in condemnation once protesters step outside certain social parameters, and obviously the war memorial is one such thing.
I think the news might have paid more attention the the disabled boy ripped from his wheelchair by the police, the protester who was given a brain bleed by batons and the like though, if only in the interest of balance.
Ps. added you to my blogroll, always good to have a dissenting opinion :D
I think once my generation has gone the majority will be of your opinion lazaruszine. :)
Can't help but agree with your examples of lack of publicity although the lad with the brain bleed was given a fair amount. Any form of weapon will damage. It seems to have been 6 or one and half a dozen of the other but I know that's easy for me to say sitting over 500 miles away.
Thank you. May I suggest you read this blog for another opinion.
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/the-rules-of-the-game-have-changed/
Reading the link, thanks!
And there are always going to be a few people that take it too far, but for the majority of what I read vs what the mainstream media has said, I think the people are coming out unfairly.
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