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I caught a glimpse of the news last night and saw young thugs throwing missiles in the streets of Bradford. Today's papers appear to 'blame' the EDL but, not being close to the situation, I prefer to accept the opinion of a fellow blogger.
I do wish these organisations would stop using our armed forces in the manner depicted above. Our troops don't want or need this form of support.
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A sign of things to come methinks Rosie.
I don't know your background, but unless you have been/are a front line soldier, or live in/near a garrison town, you pretty much have no idea what kind of support our troops (and by troops I mean boots on the ground and not Ruperts at Brigade level) require.
Care to ask some wounded sqaddie in Selly oak hospital being abused by some worthless piece of shit on a general ward his opinion on the type of gentleman pictured above?
Yes I read the propaganda piece in the Mail, those who watched the demo live via webcam tell a different story as the comments confirm. Also your prejudices are showing. Big white guy with tats and close cropped hair = Thug. A description pretty much of myself and a good proportion of the white male population at large, but that doesn't mean we all trial off to the corner off licence in our PJs for our breakfast of white lightning cider and 20 regal.
Unfortunately yes Alex.
Budvar, that's true. You don't know my background.
Did I call the chap in the photo a thug? The reason I posted that photo was because it was only those from the EDL who had t-shirts emblazoned with 'support our troops'. If you can find someone else at the events who wasn't EDL wearing a similar slogan I'd be happy to post the photo.
The reason for the post was my strong thoughts on any protest group, other than a group directly connected with the military and with their approval, using such a slogan. I don't like the military being involved in this style of politics.
The EDL came about after the shameful abuse of the South Anglian regiment as they marched home through Luton. Part of their raison d étre is to support our troops against the extremist Islamists who hurl abuse at those who just follow orders from our politicians, there's even a branch known as the Armed Forces Defence League associated with the EDL consisting of just military types.
Whilst I don't fully support the EDL or their aims, it became increasingly obvious that the MSM and the left were wildly distorting the evidence against them. They're no saints, a lot of them are football fans on the hooligan fringe, but even they can see there's something terribly wrong going on in the country.
Even though there is support for them from some of the troops, I dislike any organisation using such a slogan QM. Maybe it's because I'm older than I find it somewhat disconcerting.
Having been a medic in the army I agree with Subrosa that this sort of behaviour (picture) has a lot to be desired. Just a thought but the EDL do not have an English army; it is a British army.
I have to be careful here because many political parties support the troops when they are in action and this should be encouraged. However, an English political movement like the EDL reminds me of the National Front (now morphed into the BNP) and, as such, I am very suspicious of the political agenda of those types of people.
Subrosa,Q.M has pointed you in the right direction so i won't bother.
Take a look at the fascist U.A.F thugs,backed by the establishment.
The U.A.F need it with both barrels.
Gedguy.It isn't just the EDL,there is the Scotish defence league,the Welsh defence league is big ,its a vast movement getting bigger full of pissed off people.All together theyr'e known as the league
Whatever league they are in, fraser I agree with Subrosa that there is something disconcerting about their policies, especially when they will use the Armed forces as crutch to gain them popularity.
As other folk have said EDL attracts the fringe "ruck seekers" - but so does UAF. It's a sport for them - like hunters and huntsabs. The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible.
The strategy of targeting disaffected soldiers worked effectively for Herr Hitler and we should be mindful of that.
In our moronically dumbed down land - spoon fed drivel is de rigeur with the MSM. The manipulation of the agenda is wholesale and routine. Outfits like BBC and NewsQuest have house templates that are at least spell checked so it's easy to see when cub reporters head off to embroider stuff. Me - I want to expose those who write the scripts.
Playing to characerchures and stereotypes is part of the game our establishment are using to deflect questions about their conduct particularly when it comes to war and your money. Divide and rule, divide and rule.....
Thanks for your support Gedguy. I just don't want the troops to be used in this way. Political parties have no choice other than back our troops - they're the bosses.
Fraser it wasn't my intention to get involved in debate about yesterday in Bradford really but I was interested in knowing what did occur and QM provided that.
The problem with these protest movements they do tend to attract some people who are there with their own agendas.
Thank you Gordon, very well put. Just recently I was discussing the MSM with someone and we agreed that we didn't believe at least 50% of the information provided. Twas it ever thus? Are we, in the world of the internet, how able to check things out or is the MSM brainwashing more?
Aye, Rosie - was it ever thus with the MSM?
To a certain extent - absolutely. What has changed I think, is the proportion of infantile bilge and shameless misrepresentation in the mix. The broadsheets and Al Habibi-See have been trying to outdo one another in the novelty dunce and celebrity race.
Sane, informed, reasoned argument and considered judgement have been marginalised. Advocacy, spectacle and propagandising have been elbowing out straightforward reportage.
There are decent folk in the media but they have been driven to the edges by the gurning infotainment professionals and the shill-ing spinners doing their bosses bidding - all watched for "isms" and "ists" by the anti-confrontational PC loons. The sane voices are some of the columnists and who can defend their turf (BBC largely excepted)
What is striking to me as somebody who spends most of their working life outside the UK is the breathtakingly parochial nature of the UK media market - the BBC in particular is commented on unfavourably far more often by Johnny foreigner these days.
Listening to British media folk sneer about how dumb Americans are has caused me more than one beverage spilling incident.
Gordon, it wasn't so long ago some of my German friends mentioned that they no longer listen to the BBC because the content is so poor. These are people who honed their English speaking skills on BBC news and other current affairs programmes for years.
Very sad and particularly for what once was a great British institution. It's just now another quango.
Rosie - the record of Labour on the PR front is telling - the 30 fold expenditure explosion in "nanny knows best" propagandising they presided over must have been accompanied by direct tinkering in editorial output at the BBC. Alastair Campbell I suspect causes involuntary lower intestinal spasms amongst middle managers across the corporation - the odd crack of the whip being all that was required to herd the (mostly willing) sheep.
I have been surprised by the contempt that much mainstream BBC output now engenders in "foreign folk" I judged to be sane, balanced and liberal tolerant types.
The blinkered, risibly ill informed and self evidently skewed output from out state broadcaster is typical of the PR output oozing from self regarding quangocrats across our land - and it's shameful, truly shameful - and embarrassing to boot.
BBC World Service is now unrecognisable - great job guys n gals - not.
Gordon, I too heard Campbell had his whip out around the BBC but it was about 10th hand info so was unable to say it.
Last year was the last time I saw the BBC World Service and it was dreadful. Never had the TV on again in the hotel room.
BBC - hotel room ??
I had a hotel coffee spill / splutter last year when BBC World announced that there was flooding in Rio de Janeiro in Argentina - delivered with a faux jolly camp twinkle...
First time I put it down to ear wax, the second - caused a WTF moment and the third time (45 mins after 1st) was the coffee incident.
Trivial I know - but, if they can't be bothered to correct that - one has to look at the rest of the output and wonder...
Sorry Gordon, I should have explained. The only time I watch BBC World is when I'm abroad. Hence the hotel room reference.
I've been sensible enough not to be drinking coffee when I've switched it on. :)
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