I heard part of a discussion about this on radio today. Reading about it leaves me feeling a mixture of emotions including anger and sadness.
How did this woman get to the point of having 13 children, all removed from her care, and is now expecting a 14th? Several of her children were born with disabilities. One baby died after being born with a rare condition which stops the brain developing properly.
All of her children have been legally adopted except for one boy, age 14, who has celebral palsy.
It appears neither the woman or her partner has ever worked. They insisted they agreed to private counselling as long as it was paid for by the council, but social services told them to attend a free group session instead. They refused, saying they did not want to air their issues in front of strangers.
Sometimes people will not be helped no matter how much the state intervenes but did we go wrong and when?
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The state intervenes too much as it is.
In decades past, charities like the Women's Institute would get involved, in creative ways. Compassion being its motivator.
Then Labour deemed that it was 'demeaning' for people to accept charity and that aid should be a 'right', provided by the state.
Of course, Labour's motive was to recruit the poor bastards and keep them empoverished so that they would become/remain dependent on the 'benevolent' state.
Far from solving this problem, Labour has perpetuated it and increased its reach.
Shamelessly.
Evil fucking cunts.
oops! impoverished!
Fausty..
"Of course, Labour's motive was to recruit the poor bas###ds and keep them empoverished so that they would become/remain dependent on the 'benevolent' state."
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lol well thats that then. You do have a point though, its no secret in Scotland and in particular in Glasgow that those on state hand outs do favour Labour. I always have the impression that the richer society is then the less people will vote for labour in Scotland.
As for this article, the state may stick its nose in once to often but surly this woman should have been delt with some time ago. She is in no state to bring up a mouse let alone 56 children.
Aye there were good and bad charities Fausty but the good ones were good and showed compassion and care. The bad of course were hellish.
But Spook how can she be 'dealt' with? Don't forget the HRA.
Subrosa...
Surely when its a childs wellbeing that is at stake then the state should step in. Okay how they do it i dont know but im sure they could put a zip on her and lock it.
Indeed Spook and the state has stepped in but look at the distress to these children who hopefully are all happy now.
My sadness is because there are women who would be super mothers but cannot conceive even with IVF.
ooopsss....first of all you all need to learn that there is no such thing as an Evil fucking cunt or an ugly woman...ever...a woman is God's given gift to man to cherish and love ...go back to your fucking basics...all of you...and stop whining...! like sour pussy cats...no pun intended...!
When did we all go wrong...well, well, well, ... let me tell ya...it all goes back to the industrial revolution...! That's when we went wrong cause no thought was given to as what would best serve future generations..., the unions were born then, it was all too hasty, coupled with individuals who had political ambition and self interests and IT IS STILL GOING ON TODAY... where did it all start...good all England...the base of all evil... I'll let you figure out the rest....
As much as it grieves me to say it, someone should have "encouraged" this woman to be sterlised after the first few!
I don't believe in this sort of intervention normally, but in this case.....
Where else would Jeremy Kyle source most of his material for his freak show that seems to exploit those who makes one wonder if we all originate from the same gene-pool? It is exploitation, but it also serves to demonstrate there was, is, and probably always will be, a continual innate 'breeding' habit of those unlikely to tip the IQ curve beyond that of their shoe size.
Yet we are all, I understand, human beings - but there are two distinct groups; those who have rights but cannot comprehend the requisite responsibility and those who have rights and grasp responsibility for themselves. We owe it to the continued advantage of humanity to impose responsibility on those who exploit ours - that's what being a responsible human actually means! A bit of tough love as they say - why a law for children below the age of consent but anything goes for those whose intellectual and moral age remains that of a house-plant?
'Those who practice birth-control probably shouldn't - and those who don't -should'?
I note the observation that this particular group of procreating individuals apparently vote Labour - I rest my case?
I'm pretty sure that the scum at the top of the social ladder - old queenie and her brats, for example - milk a lot more from the system than the scum at the bottom. Having said that I met a guy recently who lived on benefits, and always had done. He was smart and well-spoken, and informed me that he had written a book on the benefits system and how one should navigate around it for best results.
The 'dependency culture' jibe at Scots is interesting. Mrs Thatcher believed (like Fausty) that the Labour vote could be broken if more people were property owning. Cue sale of council houses but, hey, no associated change in voting. Look at the growth of SNP support in former Labour areas with no bribes or gambits, just campaigning.
Up until now the effects of the recession have been somewhat damped in Scotland because of high public sector employment and I'm beginning to wonder if this amounts to a case for communism. But if we all work for the government, then we're all paid by each others taxes. Mathematically, that doesn't seem possible - surely it would be an economic perpetual motion machine? But I see the capitalist model as a perpetual motion machine, or something even dafter - it works so long as everyone thinks it will, but collapses in a heap if enough people doubt it.
I occasionally (but not very often) wish I'd studied economics instead of maths - I'm sure it's all a tautology disguising a racket.
Afternoon Baron. I would agree there is no such thing as an ugly women or man for that matter. As for evil, I think it is present in the world and always will be. Are people inherently evil? I would like to think not but have yet to be assured.
England surely can't be blamed for the world's social ills?
I would agree there are far too many polticians whose interest is mainly self-interest though, but hasn't it always been thus?
Yes Sue I think many women would think that way. If only for the woman's health if nothing else.
Clarinda, wasn't there a highly publicised court case in recent years about a mother wanting her mentally disabled daughter sterilised? I think the judgement was against the mother's wishes but she did put forward a strong case.
The age of consent law is a useless piece of legislation unless it is there only as a deterrent - even then what proof is there that it's effective?
Afternoon Vronsky. Of course they do. I would love to read that book because I've met so many people with a far greater knowledge of the benefits system than I could ever learn.
Now you can tell me, is the dependency culture a higher percentage of the population in Scotland in comparison to England? It could well be as we relied on industry so much until the 60/70s.
Thoughtful analysis of social models there. I shall consider them while I clean some windows.
You may well be right Vronsky. My grandmother used to say about everything in life that 'what goes round comes round.' Tautology.
The underclass (for that's what it is ) was made by politicians and can only be tackled by politicians.
But - the cost of doing that would be enormous.
That's the bullet no one is prepared to bite.
I'm afraid you're right Clarinda. We have no one of enough courage within our political representatives who is prepared to commit to such a change in society.
Frank Field tried in the labour party and was slapped into silence.
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