President Karzia set out his stall prior to today's Afghanistan conference. More money and more support for at least 15 years.
Now the conference has started the BBC has now taken the Gordon Brown line ' mid-2011 should be the deadline for turning the tide in the fight against resurgents in Afghanistan'.
Donor countries are expected to set up a fund to help lure Taliban members back into Afghan society. Another fund.
But I shouldn't be cynical. British troops now have a new strategy dubbed "courageous restraint". This new restraint means dropping fewer bombs, using fewer munitions and - when fighting - using more brain-power than fire-power. Use of high-explosive artillery shells by British troops is down more than 60%, while use of smoke shells to mask movement is up nearly 70%.
Sir Rodric Braithwaite, former British ambassador to Moscow who is writing a book on the Soviet role in Afghanistan, said:
Many would agree with him. All Gordon Brown's talk about our troop withdrawal starting later this year was just fantasy. We knew that though, didn't we?