A recent review by four Government departments - the Treasury, the Work and Pensions Department, the Inland Revenue and the Home Office - has concluded that 1,000 men in the United Kingdom are now polygamists, although some say the figure is higher.
Are the Government figures of around 1,000 foreign men living polygamously a gross underestimate?
Recently, a senior imam in Finchley, North London, said there are at least 4,000 men involved in such marriages. Meanwhile, to show just how far some men have stretched the teaching of the Koran, another senior Islamist, Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, has revealed a case of a man living here with five wives.
What is more, the review found, a Muslim man can claim state support of more than £10,000 a year to keep his wives, if the wedding took place in one of those countries where polygamy is commonplace, such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia and across huge tracts of Africa.
Baroness Walsi says the politicians are afraid to tackle the problem because of 'cultural sensitivity'. Time the politicians realised that the cultures of the UK ie English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish are sensitive too and they don't approve of this going on under their noses. I just wonder how many bigamists and polygamists live in Scotland.
Would I have another view if there was a religion which permitted women to have multiple husbands? Who knows.
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subrosa,
Ahem, a woman can have as many husbands as she likes - as long as her own husband does n't find out.
Imagine having two wives and being nagged at in stereo or three and get nagged in surround sound.
Was n't there some guy who was allowed to keep his license because he had two wives who lived some distance apart. I'm sure he lived in Scotland but can't really remember.
Come, come Subrosa - where is your cultural sensitivity. The UK is multicultural - this means that all cultures have equal relevance. So the cultural practices of folks from the middle east or Pakistan must be celebrated not just tolerated.
With a "one country many cultures" policy polygamy is permitted under Scottish law as long as the marriages took place outside Scotland. My what an inclusive and tolerant folk we are. Makes ye proud tae be Scots - whatever that is.
Brownlie - aye he's from Glagow and was nabbed going to Motherwell where he kept wife number two.
Some background:
http://www.scotlawcom.gov.uk/downloads/rep96.pdf
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1972/cukpga_19720038_en_1
http://www.olir.it/areetematiche/104/documents/Sona_Polygamy_in_Britain.pdf
I dont know what to say on this, my father is a Muslim from the Yemen (Adan) and i know on his side of the family in Yemen my uncle has a few wives, fu#k i think one is married to a camel but i agree people have to obey the law in our country.
Blimey i have a mum who was born in Israel to Scottish parents (Not jewish) and a father who is a muslim. Mind you my father is not interested in religion and is often embarresed by some of the bizzare practices of his native homeland.
Scots law for all god damn it i say.
One wife's enough more than.....That's why we made the British empire it was far better to fight and die in a far away land than put up with a British wife......nag..nag..nag.
who the hell wants two or more...not I
To love a woman so deeply as to want to be with them every day, all day is very very nice. So more than one means that feeling is not possible.
As to paying the misogynistic bastards to play out their control freakery is just plain stupid.
Brownlie, I knew this would cause lots of male support from some but that doesn't make it right.
As far as I'm concerned anyone can have their end away with anyone they like, as long as it doesn't affect me or cost me anything.
This is costing all of us. That's where it's wrong.
Scunnert, I don't have cultural sensibilities obviously, certainly not when I'm funding the sex life of some people who want to play out their control freakery, as Oldrightie says. Nothing to do with jealousy either!
Your links are heavy going but one piece I found interesting:
A rule that a person domiciled in Scotland lacks capacity to enter into a marriage in polygamous form abroad would, as we note below, have great potential for injustice and it may therefore be thought unlikely (particu-larly in view of the decisionof the Court of Appeal in Hussain v. H~ssain~~)that a Scottish court would now be keen to hold such a rule to be part of Scots law. The only safe conclusion on the present law of Scotland on this point is, however, that it is completely undeveloped.
So we don't have a ruling on this here and therefore we don't know how common it is.
This whole country is a joke, the freebie country of the world. It's no wonder they're clambering to get in here. Truthfully, if I had the money I'd move to a more sensible country such as Switzerland.
Spook, as I say, I'm not concerned with the sex life of anyone but when they abuse my hard-earned tax, which should be used for the needy, then I get mad.
In some ways I feel rather sorry for these men and the women who agree to marry them over and over. None knows the meaning of true love where you stay loyal to one person.
The need to have to show you're virile is quite sad and who pays for the endless children of such 'marriages'? It would be interesting if someone did some number crunching but I suppose it's too 'sensitive' to intrude on the sickening habits of others.
Oldrightie, I agree with you entirely. Just getting more disgusted with this multicultural society day by day. No wonder we have an underclass which thinks nothing of producing innocent children with any number of men. What example is this to them?
subrosa, you really are an old-fashioned darling.
You should be a Tory, like me.
Except I have a touch of the c*** about me!
WV thful - How apt - I am too thoughtful for my own good.
Oh - it gets worse and worse Subrosa. Not only do you have to provide for the multiple families, in many cases the children suffer from genetic illnesses because of consanguinity. The practice of marrying first cousins is, apparently, common for folks from Pakistan. The Times reported last year that:
"Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses."
Think of the cost to the tax payer of maintaining that little cultural practice???
Yoohoo FT, old-fashioned is fine with me. I'm possibly part of the more right leaning SNP supporters right enough.
Scunnert I have a pal in Glasgow who works in the NHS and she brought this to my attention a couple of years ago.
What do we do about it? Contraceptives aren't acceptable to them I understand. Rather than find a solution I'm sure our politicians will stick their heads in the sand under the heading 'cultural sensitivity'.
In an independent Scotland we can't afford to pay for things like this. I don't want my country to be known as the benefit capital of Europe, I'd rather leave that to England.
subrosa,
Why is it that the figure in your cartoon looks remarkably like Mandy, especially when he grew his moustache so that Gordon could recognise him in the dark?
Subrosa i agree this having 212 wifes is not welcome in this country and we should not have to pay for it. I also agree with Nikos comment lol.
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Ford Transit you said it pal, you are a cunt
Brownlie, I though Mandelson grew the moustache so as Gordon could feel him in the dark :)
Spook, I couldn't care how many wives anyone has as long as I'm not paying for the by-products or the wives.
You agree with niko? Niko should just be grateful his own isn't American, they're the experts at nagging.
I take it you're not a pal of Ford Transit??
Oh brownlie, did you notice my point of using that cartoon? Somehow I think you did.
subrosa,
Come on, Rosie, answer your own question in your last paragraph? We're all agog!
Brownlie, suffice to say I'm a firm believer in equality :)
The cartoon looks a bit like Wrinkled Weasel too...
Aye it may well do Conan but it's a satire on polgamy in the UK I think. Well that's what google said.
Why shouldn't people be allowed bigamist/polygamist marriages?
Solution?
1) Take the state out of the equation for marriage and leave that for churches etc. The state should register only births, deaths and legal guardianship of minors.
2) End/minimise benefits, therefore nothing to 'milk'.
Idle Pen Pusher
Interesting approach IPP and worthy of an answer. Marriage of course is a man made law to control the masses and it's worked well over the generations. It encourages a family approach to society and that's also worked well until recently.
Now we have a situation where a woman can have several children all with different fathers and there's no real social stigma attached. The woman I find greatly wanting and her children get my sympathy. There's no way these children will ever understand the value of family in such a situation. Also, on paper, their birth certificates may be blank against father.
What does that tell us about these young people? I think they will grow up feeling insecure and that in itself will cause problems. Most will never know who their father is or his wider family and that's such a shame.
The benefit culture will never be curtailed IPP, not where children are concerned. Too many votes in the word children and also poverty. Truthfully I've yet to meet a child in poverty, just irresponsible parents.
The UK is still a country based on our laws of Christianity. People who come to live here have to respect that and not expect to bring all their own religious rulings with them. Sadly I feel it's rather too late and we'll be the minority here in a few generation's time.
I suspect you're right about the benefits culture never being ended, but let's not make perfect the enemy of good.
I do agree that immigrants especially should be respectful of the host culture. Why come here if not? But that is rather beside the point of whether the state should be monitoring and regulating people's relationships. It shouldn't.
Stigma should be for society, not the state. The state should be restricted only to those areas where its coercive abilities mean only it could properly do the job. Ie, conflict resolution, defense and security.
IPP I think the state does monitor relationships, hence marriage certificates. That's fair IMO. They should monitor these multi-'marriage' relationships too because if this becomes acceptable (and it seems to be already) then it's another loss to our culture.
You know, at times I'm glad I'm the age I am. Our society is falling to bits.
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