tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post5329826287842883213..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Enough Political Platitudes, Time For Actionsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-13638468715174019872013-05-28T01:24:10.540+01:002013-05-28T01:24:10.540+01:00Not only the Islamic world Delphius. The Saudis ha...Not only the Islamic world Delphius. The Saudis have considerable influence in the west too.<br /><br />subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-67817379694051264242013-05-27T13:20:41.441+01:002013-05-27T13:20:41.441+01:00Absolutely. They have a huge amount of influence o...Absolutely. They have a huge amount of influence our domestic and foreign policy.<br /><br />Plus they actively fund the extreme Wahhabbi version of Islam which came from Saudi.<br /><br />In order to solve the problem of radical Islam you first have to solve the problem of Saudi Arabias's huge influence on the Islamic world.<br /><br />Its the Elephant in the room no one can afford to recognise.Mark The Skint Sailorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04892877003107509621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-76358855991993026602013-05-26T02:38:34.791+01:002013-05-26T02:38:34.791+01:00Very good points Delphius and some we may not have...Very good points Delphius and some we may not have considered.<br /><br />It's the old adage 'follow the money' isn't it?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-6944790408246272942013-05-25T10:30:20.819+01:002013-05-25T10:30:20.819+01:00The increase in Islamic influence in the West I be...The increase in Islamic influence in the West I believe directly correlates with the amount of Islamic money invested in Western economies. A significant proportion of money invested in America and the UK is of Saudi origin. Just imagine the amount of influence the threat of the loss of that money and the turning off of the oil taps can gain.<br /><br />Judge the Government by their actions, not their rhetoric. Immediately after the attack they protected Mosques, but were unsure about whether soldiers should wear uniform in public. <br /><br />Although its not overt, everyone in the back of their minds thinks that Islam is being protected. And there's a huge economic reason why it is. Mark The Skint Sailorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04892877003107509621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-12082051884740474462013-05-25T07:44:04.389+01:002013-05-25T07:44:04.389+01:00Edward, thank you for your contribution. Sensible ...Edward, thank you for your contribution. Sensible and interesting as always.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-43099890203433302013-05-25T07:41:45.011+01:002013-05-25T07:41:45.011+01:00Jim, I think part of the self-loathing comes from ...Jim, I think part of the self-loathing comes from the fact people feel powerless. We elect representatives to represent us and how many do?<br /><br />You may remember the Mamas and the Papas song 'Great Big Melting Pot'. That's what parts of Britain remind me of today. Why did the politicians want it? To copy America? I don't really know and that makes me feel powerless because no politician has every explained it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-57962007078455227712013-05-25T07:13:59.089+01:002013-05-25T07:13:59.089+01:00Mosst people believe we live in a Democracy - Scot...Mosst people believe we live in a Democracy - Scotland.<br /><br />Recently I was arrested when protesting at a dangerous road junction here in my village [traffic has trebled ddue to road works on the kessock Bridge].<br /><br />I was handcuffed and thrown to the ground. The handcuffs were tightened so much, my wrists had purple lines and the skin was broken.<br /><br />I am a non violent 64 year old.<br />Police knew me having stopped and/or searched me 4 times.<br /><br />SEE http://www.youtube.com/user/muiroford1<br /><br />for two of my encounters with the bully boys.<br /><br />I engage in perfectly legal and lawful protest. Filming potholes, unsafe roads ....<br /><br />Scotland is a Police State.<br /><br />Most "law abiding" citizens don't see the police tactics suffered every day by Muslims and others. Dave Allisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04618142333286803896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-87859786009627385582013-05-25T05:50:46.102+01:002013-05-25T05:50:46.102+01:00JimS ,
I quite agree about the Western disease of ...JimS ,<br />I quite agree about the Western disease of self-hatred which is also matched by self delusion on a massive scale, as witness our politicians prating their "Islam is a religion of peace" nonsense. There are fourteen centuries of evidence to the contrary. How much more do they need?<br /><br />The word means "submission" and that means that Jihad continues by all means until every last infidel submits - and that means you and me.<br /><br />I had a conversation with a Muslim missionary some years ago - a young man who spoke with an educated Oxford accent. He told me that it was "oppression for a Muslim " to obey the laws of this country. When I said it was not unreasonable to obey our laws if he came to our country, he said "It is not your country, it is ALLAH'S"<br /><br />At the trial of Geert Wilders, evidence was given by Professor Jansen, a leading Arabic scholar. The judge who had insisted on the prosecution tried to nobble him by engineering a meeting at a private dinner party. The bench of judges had to be dismissed and a new one empanelled.<br /><br /><br />Jansen's evidence was this. There is not and cannot be any such thing as "moderate Islam" because the faith ( and its politico-legal structure) are specified for all time in its scriptures and authoritative commentaries. There are, of course, moderate Muslims - people who do not observe all the tenets of the faith all the time - one of which is to wage ceaseless war to bring everybody to submission - although truces are permitted when advantageous to the faithful..<br /><br />Jansen was not allowed to testify in person by the second bench of judges but his statement was read into the record.<br /><br />I have cause for gratitude to a Muslim doctor, our late GP who was a most conscientious man. I also thought it was damned silly to go adventuring in Afghanistan when we didn't have an Indian empire to protect. But that silliness pales into insignificance alongside the madness of allowing the immigration of millions of followers of this creed.<br /><br />We should not blind ourselves to the fact that beliefs have consequences. Nor should we forget that Islam has a doctrine called taqqiya ( dissimulation) which not only permits but commands lying to infidels when it is in the interests of the faith or the faithful. Even the Jesuits did not go quite that far!<br /><br />Meanwhile India is considering sending troops to help stabilise matters in Afghanistan and that will certainly enrage the Pakistanis. Both India and Pakistan are nuclear states - yet the British taxpayer is being plundered to send aid to both.<br /><br />It's a mad, mad world, my masters - especially in Westminster and Whitehall.<br />Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-19111111078817176342013-05-25T00:51:34.468+01:002013-05-25T00:51:34.468+01:00I wasn't too surprised either CD and even wond...I wasn't too surprised either CD and even wondered this week, when I heard all the details of Parvis Khan's trial, when the copycats would come out of the woodwork.<br /><br />Super contribution to the debate CD. Many thanks. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-27376595140317106832013-05-25T00:49:04.107+01:002013-05-25T00:49:04.107+01:00Excellent contribution. Thank you Crinkly.Excellent contribution. Thank you Crinkly.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-8000685967497918092013-05-25T00:47:57.650+01:002013-05-25T00:47:57.650+01:00Ranty, there are many who criticise our military y...Ranty, there are many who criticise our military yet would be the first to shout 'I need help' should we decide to have skeleton forces. Most folk have no idea what goes on in the military. They think all just run around wielding guns.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-5377137301345338002013-05-25T00:45:40.102+01:002013-05-25T00:45:40.102+01:00My what a strange set of comments your post has ge...My what a strange set of comments your post has generated, a mixture of self-loathing and distrust of government.<br /><br />Well anyone is free to hate themselves if they want to and government always needs to be watched but what has any of that got to do with this incident?<br /><br />We appear to have someone born in this country, brought up in the majority culture who, for reasons unknown, has picked up on an alien doctrine and turned against what should be his own people. Self-loathing and distrust of the government writ large indeed.<br /><br />A lot of people are asking "why?". It is too late now, we are where we are but just out of interest is there no politician out there, on their death bed, who will explain why we had to import Islam, why we had to give up our freedom to move without security checks etc? Was it worth it? <br />Make a point in crude racial terms: I can't see China ceasing to be 'yellow', India 'brown' or Africa 'black' so why is it so important that Europe ceases to be 'hideously white' and more importantly its 'culture' overturned?JimShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295953179246578687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-69342094265521331042013-05-25T00:44:35.038+01:002013-05-25T00:44:35.038+01:00Another excellent contribution Ranty.Another excellent contribution Ranty.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-37038803269880149492013-05-25T00:42:58.672+01:002013-05-25T00:42:58.672+01:00I think Highlanders are bright William. Do you hav...I think Highlanders are bright William. Do you have anyone in mind for your criticism?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-11633622954007787502013-05-25T00:42:12.171+01:002013-05-25T00:42:12.171+01:00Oh Clarinda, I should have mentioned these two jum...Oh Clarinda, I should have mentioned these two jumping on the band wagon. Of course what they say is nonsense.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-26853656927046950502013-05-25T00:40:28.748+01:002013-05-25T00:40:28.748+01:00JRB indeed. Sadly Cameron's attempts at states...JRB indeed. Sadly Cameron's attempts at statesmanship left me cold though.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-64337132675953770522013-05-25T00:39:13.212+01:002013-05-25T00:39:13.212+01:00I don't think we can further our conversation ...I don't think we can further our conversation if you think all military personnel are gullible mugs Dave.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-15730345659870915002013-05-24T21:39:34.288+01:002013-05-24T21:39:34.288+01:00CR,
This attack was long overdue. I'm not sur...CR,<br /><br />This attack was long overdue. I'm not surprised one bit, saddened for the lad who lost his life & those families on both sides that will have to live with the pain.<br /><br />Many posters have common threads that make sense. As CR notes, once you're awake there's no going back to sleep.<br /><br />Sadly the political system in the UK is rotten to the core. Foreign Policy is an utter mess. Society is teetering on the edge in several places across the land.<br /><br />Positive & direct leadership is required now, democracy needs to be placed back in the hands of the many, not the 650 sat in Westmidden.<br /><br />Failure for the UK to admit it is no longer an Empire, World Power or a country of influence on the Global stage, the sooner this mess will get sorted. <br /><br />Time for us to look inwards & heal successive decades of poor government, the utter contempt for the public & the obsession with personal gain.<br /><br />I am stood on the abyss, waiting, watching - hoping for a better future but expecting the worst...<br /><br />Be well.<br /><br />CDCrazyDaisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649222063383489990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-35283778021496410962013-05-24T18:16:33.517+01:002013-05-24T18:16:33.517+01:00There's no doubt terrorism is to a great exten...There's no doubt terrorism is to a great extent a fabricated fear developed by bad politics and stupid leaders.<br /><br />Unfortunately one of the downsides of such idiocy is it confirms the targeted zealots of their zealotry having, in their twisted minds, a legitimate purpose.<br /><br />But I believe, certainly in the UK, political correctness has created a ridiculouse situation where it only applies to the indigenous population while emigrants are free, not only to practice their religions but to act on its laws, and claim them as a defence in mitigation in our law courts. We only need to refer to the number of honour killings and the recent exposure of the grooming of young white girls to see the arrogance this creates amongst the emigrant population. <br /><br />So I would say to all the Iman, you have all failed by emphasising your difference and adopting a defensive and negative ghettoization which is ignorant on your part and an insult to ours.<br /><br />I believe it's is perfectly reasonable and moral for any society to expect any emigrant who wishes to make a home in that society to fully accept and integrate with the laws, social mores, moral values and in the ways these are implemented in the everyday life of that society.<br /><br />I have no difficulty with anybody whatever their colour, creed or religion, but political correctness turn into an oxymoron when its abused by those it was initially designed to protect and who have decided to flaunt their difference.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-21121952659607417642013-05-24T16:05:42.036+01:002013-05-24T16:05:42.036+01:00We dishonour these fine people, even in Scotland:
...We dishonour these fine people, even in Scotland:<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330204/Pub-named-hero-Battle-Waterloo-refuses-serve-Navy-sailors-wearing-uniform-moments-celebrated-given-Freedom-City.html<br /><br />Haste ye back?<br /><br />Haste ye oot the door.<br /><br />CR.Captain Rantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07839241144954596066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-61121492196832002272013-05-24T15:24:12.737+01:002013-05-24T15:24:12.737+01:00William,
The USA (self-proclaimed as the Worlds P...William,<br /><br />The USA (self-proclaimed as the Worlds Policeman) are actively engaged in war-like operations in 74 countries today.<br /><br />Do we really need to be like them?<br /><br />Did you spot the difference between the campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.<br /><br />The odd one out?<br /><br />That would be Syria. No oil in Syria, see?<br /><br />We could have ended that spat in 6 weeks or less (or made a dramatic difference to the rebels' success) but they have no oil.<br /><br />So we didn't go, and we didn't help.<br /><br />Do you honestly want our younglings to die for a drop of oil, or a heroin crop?<br /><br />I know I don't.<br /><br />CR.Captain Rantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07839241144954596066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-49434925427555809082013-05-24T15:16:16.159+01:002013-05-24T15:16:16.159+01:00A country doesn't have to be 'directly thr...A country doesn't have to be 'directly threatened' in order to use its military. Britain wasn't 'directly threatened' in WWII. There are many reasons why a country might want to use its military and 'direct threat' is only one of them. We should maintain and be proud of our military and shouldn't restrict them solely to use under 'direct threat'.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14384257837409326870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-23636357702955524892013-05-24T15:11:42.160+01:002013-05-24T15:11:42.160+01:00If we keep electing idiots, we will keep supportin...If we keep electing idiots, we will keep supporting their idiotic foreign policies. To vote is to give consent. Remove your consent.<br /><br />We went to war in Iraq illegally. But hey, we did the job. We protected the oilfields and the interests of big business. Delivering democracy? Only the certifiably insane believe that.<br /><br />Afghanistan however, was slightly different. We are there to protect the poppy fields and to pave the way for oil pipelines of the future. Delivering democracy? Only the certifiably insane believe that.<br /><br />We have been sending our sons (and lately our daughters) to foreign climes to fight for hundreds of years. They come back dead and maimed, or mentally damaged and what do we do? Do we thank them? Hell no. We ignore them. Worse, we allow Islamists to insult them publicly. Worse still, we stand by, (making sure we have the camera phones at the ready) whilst serving soldiers are butchered in broad daylight.<br /><br />The solution?<br /><br />Retain the nukes, for one. They are a fierce deterrent.<br /><br />Two: Maintain our armed forces, and pay them well. Keep a well-trained, well-equipped UK Defence Force to erm, defend the UK. Stop sending them into theatres in which we have no quarrel with the combatants. Let their bloody neighbours pitch in.<br /><br />From then on, we only spank people who spank us.<br /><br />This nation has not been directly threatened by another nation for 68 years.<br /><br />Successive governments, and the people who elected them, are responsible for the deaths of millions.<br /><br />That would include you and me.<br /><br />CR.Captain Rantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07839241144954596066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-62664125942597525002013-05-24T14:41:16.938+01:002013-05-24T14:41:16.938+01:00They don't make them too bright in the Highlan...They don't make them too bright in the Highlands, do they?Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14384257837409326870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-65265195368477269422013-05-24T14:11:28.534+01:002013-05-24T14:11:28.534+01:00JRB - not just "opportune" for Mr Camero...JRB - not just "opportune" for Mr Cameron's self-preservation but judging by the immediate ravenous responses from 'lord' John Reid and 'lord' Alex Carlile on Newsnight - they want the 'snoopers'charter' (the draft Communications Data Bill) brought into immediate effect. This potential Act they claimed would have caught the murderers at Woolwich before their crime. So indeed an opportune political control move to diminish our society by our very own Westminster masters in collaboration with those who seek to destroy it by murder and mayhem? So we had better enjoy our electronic liberty (such as it is)while we can.Clarindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189996558442989039noreply@blogger.com