tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post5097403947665027513..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Do You Really Want to be Part of the EU?subrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-41078925138629479962010-03-27T17:34:00.406+00:002010-03-27T17:34:00.406+00:00There you are Stewart, we all live and learn. Dea...There you are Stewart, we all live and learn. Dean is impressed by everything at his age but the petals will slowly fall from his eyes.<br /><br />You never know, he may become one of the tories' shining lights - if they have such persons nowadays.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-83039552721724246922010-03-27T17:03:37.022+00:002010-03-27T17:03:37.022+00:00You're right, SR. I used to vote Labour, for g...You're right, SR. I used to vote Labour, for goodness sake!Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31692974014328039922010-03-27T17:00:18.353+00:002010-03-27T17:00:18.353+00:00Give Dean time Stewart, he's only a lad. He&#...Give Dean time Stewart, he's only a lad. He'll maybe begin to think out of the box once he's in the real world and then experience what's happening.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-84606545958153084642010-03-27T16:06:43.799+00:002010-03-27T16:06:43.799+00:00Dean MacKinnon-Thomson has sent shivers down my sp...Dean MacKinnon-Thomson has sent shivers down my spine. He is the future of the Tories.<br /><br />I see he is 20 and "a politics student in Stirling university. Serving currently a third year as Vice-President of Conservative Students Stirling."<br /><br />Lib/Lab/Con - all are removing our freedoms because they want us to believe that a European Utopia is possible.<br /><br />It wasn't under the famous nutters who tried with weapons and it won't be by stealth either. That was the idea from the very beginning - create a united Europe by stealth, but do it so that the people don't realise until it's too late.<br /><br />People you can trust with your freedom and prosperity?<br /><br />The expanded EU now has many politicians who served in the old communist regimes in the East. <br /><br />Hitler was such a fascist, he wanted to restrict smoking in many places, just because he was a grumpy ex-smoker.<br /><br />The EU goes further (or Fuhrer?).Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-14555451257786626682010-03-27T10:34:16.295+00:002010-03-27T10:34:16.295+00:00I thought that too Mrs R. I'm not into thinki...I thought that too Mrs R. I'm not into thinking family with total strangers.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59923914071696970232010-03-27T10:32:52.189+00:002010-03-27T10:32:52.189+00:00Aren't they one and the same Richard?Aren't they one and the same Richard?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-18274189334400497302010-03-27T10:32:18.234+00:002010-03-27T10:32:18.234+00:00I've never approved of the UK being more than ...I've never approved of the UK being more than a trading partner with Europe Dean.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74304238991903007492010-03-27T09:34:32.537+00:002010-03-27T09:34:32.537+00:00"harmonise more with our European brothers&qu..."harmonise more with our European brothers"<br /><br />Trade union speak?Mrs Rigbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06389986110372627649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-47870905940198070212010-03-27T09:32:19.334+00:002010-03-27T09:32:19.334+00:00I worry more about the UK Gov't assaults on ou...I worry more about the UK Gov't assaults on our freedom more than anything the EU dreams up, to be honest.Richard Lucashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06600522000122688279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-40132514642783502922010-03-27T07:28:26.285+00:002010-03-27T07:28:26.285+00:00The Lisbon Treaty is the heir of the constitutiona...The Lisbon Treaty is the heir of the constitutional forbare, and I would argue that; easily; enough of the substance filtered across into Lisbon to maintain some kind of constitutional element which keeps it apart of the western conceptualisation of constitutionality.<br /><br />As for calling it a superstate..thats a little provocative a terminology. I'd rather call it a European Federal Union.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74814828979706537582010-03-27T02:33:36.703+00:002010-03-27T02:33:36.703+00:00Scunnert,
If you wish to split hairs, what I look...Scunnert,<br /><br />If you wish to split hairs, what I looked at was the relevant sections of the Lisbon Treaty, the sections of the previous treaties as amended and the explanation (which I didn't pay much attention to) ;)Hythlodaeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13402232122699414720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-39545630670073430132010-03-27T02:07:09.082+00:002010-03-27T02:07:09.082+00:00We do need UKIP Fausty and the BNP I suppose.
Wha...We do need UKIP Fausty and the BNP I suppose.<br /><br />What worries me is that if Nigel Farage leaves Brussels then who will represent UKIP. They need a very strong voice.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-9563306798974232892010-03-27T02:05:33.232+00:002010-03-27T02:05:33.232+00:00You'd like us to be part of a European Superst...You'd like us to be part of a European Superstate then Dean? I cannot agree. I've written quite a bit about why I disagree so I'm sure you know my reasons.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-87110746449992498362010-03-27T01:57:08.750+00:002010-03-27T01:57:08.750+00:00Bye to UKIP and the BNP, then.
I don't suppo...Bye to UKIP and the BNP, then. <br /><br />I don't support the BNP, but I support its right to exist.<br /><br />Without UKIP, what are our chances of exiting the EU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-351770379544283142010-03-27T01:56:56.558+00:002010-03-27T01:56:56.558+00:00Subrosa,
The solutions to most of our economic an...Subrosa,<br /><br />The solutions to most of our economic and security problems in this transanationalised and globalised age is further, not less integration of power around Brussels.<br /><br />Europol should be made to have police authority across the member-states, with a recognition of its superior authority. This is vital in our fight against organised crime, which increasingly opperates across boundaries.<br /><br />But we need more than this, we need to establish a new political framework for European military, and foreign offices to become harmonised. <br /><br />The solutions to most problems facing the UK today demands that we harmonise more with our European brothers, not less. In the words of Edward Heath, it is time for the British to accept our place in our "common European destiny"... let us abolish the nation-state.<br /><br />Deanthe[rather pro-European]tory<br />new-rightDean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-45828990553348048582010-03-27T01:00:15.107+00:002010-03-27T01:00:15.107+00:00Hythlodaeus said:
"Having just had a look at...Hythlodaeus said:<br /><br />"Having just had a look at the relevant sections of the Lisbon Treaty, there is slight cause for concern ..."<br /><br />As the Lisbon Treaty is an amending treaty surely you would have to look at the original treaty as amended?<br /><br />If those politicians supporting membership in the EU were so convinced of the benefits the UK and others would have been given a referendum. Further, as the only country to be given a referendum had to rerun the process in order to get the correct response it is patently obvious that:<br /><br />EVERY COUNTRY IN THE EU WOULD VOTE TO LEAVE IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.McGonagallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14887321534801112949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-82978227194264258502010-03-27T00:44:48.907+00:002010-03-27T00:44:48.907+00:00Do You Really Want to be Part of the EU?
NO!Do You Really Want to be Part of the EU?<br /><br />NO!McGonagallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14887321534801112949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-34708682489048516312010-03-26T23:35:34.591+00:002010-03-26T23:35:34.591+00:00Strathturret
Why are we still dumping shiploads o...Strathturret<br /><br />Why are we still dumping shiploads of sewage into our coastal waters if the Romans gave us sanitation?<br /><br />Why should our fishing grounds be dessimated to near extinction by a foreign government to appease its other members?<br /><br />If one wishes to work in a foreign country then one should move lock stock and barrel over there to show commitment to that country otherwise its exploition for personal gain nothing more.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-62071399690173972572010-03-26T23:31:37.394+00:002010-03-26T23:31:37.394+00:00...trouble might even *flare* up.
(I don't us......trouble might even *flare* up.<br /><br />(I don't usually correct the mistakes I notice afterwards, but this was a bad one.)Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-5302561290404196322010-03-26T23:17:26.473+00:002010-03-26T23:17:26.473+00:00Strathturret said...
"What did the EU ever ...Strathturret said...<br /><br />"What did the EU ever do for us?<br />Apart from 60 years of peace, and freedom to work anywhere in Eu and common standards......."<br /><br />The EU has been going nothing like 60 years (talk about rewriting history!). Peace has been nothing to do with the EU. In fact, the more dictatorial it becomes, the likelier trouble will flair up all over the continent.<br /><br />Did you think the USSR was great because it standardised things?<br /><br />Your arguments are totally invalid.<br /><br />Sorry. ;-)Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-54798985485815066012010-03-26T22:56:27.746+00:002010-03-26T22:56:27.746+00:00Strathturret, there was always the freedom to work...Strathturret, there was always the freedom to work anywhere within the EU, in fact even further afield. Yes I know a vista had to be had and work permit, but that was a small price to pay.<br /><br />The years of peace could well have been reached without a superstate.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-53013134390716991452010-03-26T22:54:05.956+00:002010-03-26T22:54:05.956+00:00Me too CH and there is now nothing which could per...Me too CH and there is now nothing which could persuade me to ever reconsider.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68743720138766088172010-03-26T22:53:21.876+00:002010-03-26T22:53:21.876+00:00Niko there are plenty young people who are sceptic...Niko there are plenty young people who are sceptical of the EU and the power it wields.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74197131654286883032010-03-26T22:52:19.228+00:002010-03-26T22:52:19.228+00:00I would disagree Hythlodaeus. There are bound to ...I would disagree Hythlodaeus. There are bound to be databases containing sexual preferences if anyone has every declare theirs or had problems with the law.<br /><br />The EU Data Protective does not protect the citizen, it protects governments. I'm sorry I can't find the reference I had discussing that fact but it was a reliable source. Data protection is no help whatsoever to the common man.<br /><br />I don't think people are scared into hatred of Europe, I think many have given the evidence careful consideration and decided rules are being made which affect the freedoms of the individual.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-50478964071751445902010-03-26T22:46:48.222+00:002010-03-26T22:46:48.222+00:00Our current politicians refuse to acknowledge this...Our current politicians refuse to acknowledge this though Mark. How can people insist they do?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.com