tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post2293749357482108001..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Schools May Be Breaking EU Lawsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-79566622752431669162011-01-15T14:35:01.683+00:002011-01-15T14:35:01.683+00:00Thanks for the link Shahbaz.Thanks for the link Shahbaz.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-64871007226694332262011-01-13T02:02:44.330+00:002011-01-13T02:02:44.330+00:00Grand idea Sheila. You're more than welcome t...Grand idea Sheila. You're more than welcome to post here as you know.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-75486659382476154242011-01-12T18:38:44.630+00:002011-01-12T18:38:44.630+00:00I'm posting all the recent coverage of these i...I'm posting all the recent coverage of these issues on this thread:<br /><br />http://www.home-education.biz/forum/general-discussion/12948-big-brother-scotland.html<br /><br />Handy to be able to send people one link :)<br /><br />Just waiting for the permanent links for the latest Kenneth Roy articles to become available.Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-22157784113717580422011-01-12T16:32:24.081+00:002011-01-12T16:32:24.081+00:00Dram, Kenneth Roy is doing a great job about this....Dram, Kenneth Roy is doing a great job about this. Encouraging to see someone of importance in the Scottish media asking the questions.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-58642298441208892232011-01-12T16:31:36.834+00:002011-01-12T16:31:36.834+00:00I just find fingerprinting children a few steps to...I just find fingerprinting children a few steps too far Derek. School admin worked fine without this and with the same or even less admin staff. It's not necessary, but as someone remarked, it's also brainwashing children to accept this as the norm throughout their lives.<br /><br />When I'm out my mobile is off. I only use it if necessary. But of course younger generations 'need' it because it's a much more integral part of their lifestyle. In many ways I approve, not least because children have, nowadays, few excuses not to keep in touch with aging parents. I would say that wouldn't I? :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59087123274404530782011-01-12T16:24:57.105+00:002011-01-12T16:24:57.105+00:00Hello Hamish. Like you I've been trying to avo...Hello Hamish. Like you I've been trying to avoid giving personal information but finding it difficult. Even trying to buy a pair of boots online required information I didn't think was necessary but I'd already spent 5 minutes completing the required information before the next page appeared.<br /><br />I think the next step for me is to spend some time contacting various agencies and asking for a record of what information they have about me. Must keep folk busy. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36420230234384306942011-01-12T16:20:46.156+00:002011-01-12T16:20:46.156+00:00Now you have a good point there Apogee. It may be...Now you have a good point there Apogee. It may be worth a stand-alone post.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-24655238053985067492011-01-12T16:20:11.234+00:002011-01-12T16:20:11.234+00:00Oh Julia, sharp as a tack as always. :) Why didn&...Oh Julia, sharp as a tack as always. :) Why didn't I think of that?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-87225490127949212202011-01-12T16:04:51.150+00:002011-01-12T16:04:51.150+00:00Yes Derek I agree - Just because we can doesn'...Yes Derek I agree - Just because we can doesn't mean we should. Yes we can process all the data we want and yes it's getting cheaper to do so therefore the busy bodies want more and more volumes of it. Time to say no to unneccesary data collection. Starting with this Girfec and all the other spying programmes, including bus passes, that go on. See the Scottish Review for moreDramfinedayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15317798317549135378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-40651313807597853352011-01-12T12:01:33.368+00:002011-01-12T12:01:33.368+00:00Our secondary school uses a card for library acces...Our secondary school uses a card for library access, and meal payment can be made online or cash/cheque, the latter will be phased out by our bank later this year according to the bank. She takes a packed lunch.<br /><br />However, her previous school had a fingerprint log in for either the library or meals, I cannot remember which, but do remember being more than a little put out when I found this out, for at no time had the school approached us the parents for our permission on this.<br /><br />It is well known that to replace a number plate on a vehicle one needs to show the V5C, but even ordering parts, the registration is reuired which then immediately tells the seller not just the year, make and model, but the address of the current keeper. <br /><br />When does a database society reach beyond the practical/useful, and into the invasive? ANPR to collect bridge tolls and everything else about your vehicle and YOU is available, including where your vehicle - and if you carry a mobile phone - YOU have been. This gets to the point that WITHOUT such tracking, you may be hauled in to answer for your movements - as they are untracked!Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03085466471703759531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-45158237608459841302011-01-12T11:21:35.491+00:002011-01-12T11:21:35.491+00:00I resent and resist all attempts to get unneeded i...I resent and resist all attempts to get unneeded information from me.<br />Theatre ticket sir? Post-code and house number please.<br />Do you have a loyalty card? Nope. Do you want one? Nope.<br /><br />BUT increasingly I think resistance is futile. And our best defence may be to undermine the system by holding data about everyone ourselves.<br /><br />Nowadays details about everyone's tax/health/earnings can be stored on a key-fob costing a few quid.<br />Let's all buy one of these and walk around with them.<br /><br />Post-code and house number, sir?<br />I can't remember, but your post-code is ..., your telephone number is ..., you've just come through a messy divorce, and BTW are you free tonight?Hamishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07401451754373118599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-85323742609107002222011-01-12T10:09:45.264+00:002011-01-12T10:09:45.264+00:00Just thinking about data collection, while citizen...Just thinking about data collection, while citizens will persist in putting their full private history on the likes of Facebook,and with no security whatsoever, the government does not need a data collection system, its being done for them.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-49735254770405973202011-01-12T09:49:56.580+00:002011-01-12T09:49:56.580+00:00"Was he worried about POTUS's fingerprint...<i>"Was he worried about POTUS's fingerprints or dna falling into the wrong hands?"</i><br /><br />Bit of a waste of time, given how widely that particular president scattered his DNA...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-35497681410103435392011-01-12T09:48:01.317+00:002011-01-12T09:48:01.317+00:00"I can just see the police on fishing expedit...<i>"I can just see the police on fishing expeditions accepting a refusal by a school authority to allow tham to run their samples through it."</i><br /><br />I expect they'd put up about as much resistance as TfL did when the police wanted to use Oyster data to track movement of suspects though the Tube network.<br /><br />In other words, none.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-61749212373143084742011-01-11T22:46:21.730+00:002011-01-11T22:46:21.730+00:00Too much information Woodsy. :) Accurate though.Too much information Woodsy. :) Accurate though.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-90737725290430012982011-01-11T22:44:30.955+00:002011-01-11T22:44:30.955+00:00"Fingerprints, which are most widely used, ca..."Fingerprints, which are most widely used, can be lifted .......have touched, or from many other surfaces"<br /><br />But fingerprints are both a biometric AND a token. So a fingerprint authorised credit card would be quite an opportunity - steal their card and cut off their finger to use with it.Woodsy42https://www.blogger.com/profile/12355671210161625647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-61576515342625154072011-01-11T22:31:28.127+00:002011-01-11T22:31:28.127+00:00Finger printing children is obscene BJ, yet so man...Finger printing children is obscene BJ, yet so many parents don't seem to think out of the box about it. Scarey really.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-27932267204685946302011-01-11T22:30:30.511+00:002011-01-11T22:30:30.511+00:00Jings Brian, how intriguing. Certainly something ...Jings Brian, how intriguing. Certainly something I've never heard of before. Food for thought.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56018629062324673632011-01-11T22:29:25.365+00:002011-01-11T22:29:25.365+00:00Ooops you did Sheila. That's what I get for g...Ooops you did Sheila. That's what I get for going off, in the middle of reading your comment, to edit the link. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-19371492501855710922011-01-11T22:28:47.598+00:002011-01-11T22:28:47.598+00:00Sheila, I've reloaded it. It works for me her...Sheila, I've reloaded it. It works for me here now. Sorry about that.<br /><br />Did you read Kenneth Roy today?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77641022487684704732011-01-11T22:22:48.111+00:002011-01-11T22:22:48.111+00:00Thank you for highlighting this, SR.
I have had n...Thank you for highlighting this, SR.<br /><br />I have had numerous arguments concerning this practice; people either ‘get it’ or don’t.<br /><br />It would be amusing to me to see the usual suspects – left leaning, pro EU, authoritarian councils being hoist on their own petards.<br /><br />I have always had a hatred for those who wish to impose themselves on the privacy and integrity of the young – especially those outside the family and in positions of power.<br /><br />Finger printing children is obscene.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-12703225958614559792011-01-11T22:17:54.860+00:002011-01-11T22:17:54.860+00:00I remember when Bill Clinton came to Birmingham fo...I remember when Bill Clinton came to Birmingham for the G8 in 1998. He stayed at the Swallow Hotel, by the way. He had a pint in the Malt House by the canal near Brindley Place (recommended if you're ever in B'ham). Anyway, after he finished his glass was smashed into small fragments by a secret service minder. Was he worried about POTUS's fingerprints or dna falling into the wrong hands?Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358349301959327747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31019731049184129592011-01-11T22:09:50.768+00:002011-01-11T22:09:50.768+00:00Telegraph link not working for me :(
With any luc...Telegraph link not working for me :(<br /><br />With any luck this will make parents look into the vast amount of highly personal data gathered and stored under eCare, Girfec and other initiartives and how this and the biometic data links with the citizens account and entitlement cards.<br /><br />Thanks for highlighting this - once people see how it all joins up they will surely refuse to go along with it?<br /><br /><br />See that Kenneth Roy seems to be continuing with this theme too:<br /><br />http://www.scottishreview.net/<br /><br />More from Kenneth tomorrow.Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-82396287656026022042011-01-11T21:25:24.228+00:002011-01-11T21:25:24.228+00:00Thank you George. Most interesting comment.Thank you George. Most interesting comment.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-57911524609722808472011-01-11T20:45:11.653+00:002011-01-11T20:45:11.653+00:00The problem with these school fingerprints is the ...The problem with these school fingerprints is the disingenuous reassureances parents are given. They claim that the "fingerprint" is converted into a "number" by an internal algorithm. Thus, they say, the fingerprints cannot be stolen or misused. This is only true if the the machine that read them is inaccessible to whoever wants to snoop on the children. I can just see the police on fishing expeditions accepting a refusal by a school authority to allow tham to run their samples through it. The numerical conversion is a red herring, and any teacher who thinks it isn't should be on the other side of the front desk.George Spellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06566990991084867385noreply@blogger.com