tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post9172168745249211116..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: One Woman Who David Cameron Should Insist Is Recognised By The Honours Committeesubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-18116286579327981462012-08-25T08:20:11.441+01:002012-08-25T08:20:11.441+01:00Yes he missed it by around six months I think Edwa...Yes he missed it by around six months I think Edward.<br /><br />Very pleased to hear of an MP who did his duty seriously.<br /><br />All I was thinking of was some way Mrs Johnson's courage could be marked.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-72954154440658260242012-08-25T08:01:23.436+01:002012-08-25T08:01:23.436+01:00I cannot help thinking that the death penalty, whi...I cannot help thinking that the death penalty, which Brady only just escaped because of the time of his trial and conviction, would have given closure to this unfortunate lady. It would certainly have removed Brady's ability (with the aid of the press) to keep reawakening the memories.<br /><br />There was a murder in Derby a little later where the police investigation was at least as scandalously bungled as the Stephen Lawrence case - but the victim, Lynn Siddons, was white and did not attract same the publicity.<br /><br />For thirty years or so, Flo Siddons, the girl's grandmother persisted in pursuing the case and was eventually able to gain a judgement for damages in the civil courts against the murderer "on the balance of probabilities" rather than "beyond all reasonable doubt" as required in a criminal trial. This eventually led to the police reopening the case and obtaining a conviction. I met Flo Siddons a couple of times and she was a pleasant but very formidable lady.<br /><br />She had a great deal of help from her MP, Philip Whitehead (Lab) who continued to help her long after he had left Westminster and become an MEP. He and I frequently crossed swords, as Philip was a true believer in the EU project. He was one of the few politicians that I have really liked. His death was a loss to public life. He had earned golden opinions from all sides as a constituency MP.<br /><br />I really don't see what sort of honour or official recognition is available posthumously to the unfortunate lady in this case.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59531616004145701532012-08-23T11:52:35.652+01:002012-08-23T11:52:35.652+01:00Ah, stupid me not to do some research RM. I did t...Ah, stupid me not to do some research RM. I did think that, as military honours were issued posthumously that there would be provision for such with civilians.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77541018078582314922012-08-23T10:30:39.795+01:002012-08-23T10:30:39.795+01:00From what I've read about honours SR they can ...From what I've read about honours SR they can only be issued posthumously if the person accepted before they died. Military honours are different though and as you know are regularly issued posthumously.RMcGeddonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01665173796157838927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-29704891943170556682012-08-22T15:19:57.868+01:002012-08-22T15:19:57.868+01:00Hamish, this is about belief and emotion. Mrs John...Hamish, this is about belief and emotion. Mrs Johnson obviously believed that Keith would only rest in peace if he had a Christian burial. That's her right to believe that.<br /><br />It's not so long ago, when this was a Christian country, that murderers, suicides etc weren't entitled to be buried with others.<br /><br />Also there's the power aspect that Brady still has over her family. Finding Keith's body would destroy his sick attitude.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-5632664420194671812012-08-22T15:16:51.916+01:002012-08-22T15:16:51.916+01:00I doubt if she's even been considered RM. Can...I doubt if she's even been considered RM. Can't some honours be awarded posthumously?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-12803882299126823252012-08-22T15:16:14.031+01:002012-08-22T15:16:14.031+01:00Thanks Rightwinggit.Thanks Rightwinggit.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-64122029243396398702012-08-22T11:37:34.701+01:002012-08-22T11:37:34.701+01:00Sad story indeed, but with respect, I don't un...Sad story indeed, but with respect, I don't understand the insistence that there can be 'closure' only if the body is found and given a Christian burial.<br />The only justification for continuing this and similar investigations is if there is the slightest chance that Keith is still aliveHamishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07401451754373118599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-86080550098538032012-08-22T10:22:42.395+01:002012-08-22T10:22:42.395+01:00Sad story SR.
Ms Johnson may have been awarded a ...Sad story SR. <br />Ms Johnson may have been awarded a knighthood ( the equivalent is a Dame for a lady )but we won't know until the 1st of January when they are announced. They can't be awarded posthumously but if she was offered one and accepted it before she died then it can still be awarded.RMcGeddonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01665173796157838927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56884353956905721072012-08-22T10:13:22.134+01:002012-08-22T10:13:22.134+01:00Seconded.Seconded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com