tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post869981271817931974..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: THE DUNBAR MARTYRSsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56138575508525729472014-08-12T01:40:18.405+01:002014-08-12T01:40:18.405+01:00We, the descendants of the transported prisoners, ...We, the descendants of the transported prisoners, are most certainly out of the woodwork and have been doggedly researching and collaborating for many, many years. Some of us were even in contact with Mr. Wilson and supported his effort which finally came to fruition on 30 Nov 2011. <br /><br />If anyone is interested in the men who survived not only the battle, march, and captivity, but also transportation to the New World, check out: http://scottishprisonersofwar.com/<br /><br />We also have a DNA project ongoing with an ultimate goal of identifying our ancestral places of origin and connecting with relatives (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottishPoWs).<br /><br />I hope to one day visit the Cathedral to pay homage to my 9th great grandfather who survived this atrocity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-27988399548886800742009-02-23T00:51:00.000+00:002009-02-23T00:51:00.000+00:00I'll go and have a look right now Tommy. Didn't k...I'll go and have a look right now Tommy. Didn't know how to leave contact other than use here.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-40474672788700676602009-02-22T21:24:00.000+00:002009-02-22T21:24:00.000+00:00Hi SubrosaI have responded to your accusation on m...Hi Subrosa<BR/>I have responded to your accusation on my blog, hope you can drop a response. Thanks. Sorry to contact you here but you left no details.Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00744349927932203881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56789574896923830902009-02-20T10:32:00.000+00:002009-02-20T10:32:00.000+00:00Monty, I forgot to mention. Did you see Durham Ca...Monty, I forgot to mention. Did you see Durham Cathedral website (under history) now gives a mention to this tragedy? "..in 1650 the Cathedral was closed and used by Cromwell to incarcerate 3,000 Scottish prisoners."<BR/><BR/>Progress indeed!subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-38257228583247942682009-02-20T10:17:00.000+00:002009-02-20T10:17:00.000+00:00Monty, I never gave a thought to the diaspora but ...Monty, I never gave a thought to the diaspora but then I can understand their interest can't you? The ones I meet who are on 'ancestral' holidays usually shame me with the amount of study they have applied to researching their forebearers.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for putting the site address. I thought I'd put it in the article and I did, but under 'please go here'. Notice I've changed it and linked in first paragraph. I do need you young ones to keep me on my toes with this slogging business :-)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-89898403381949279312009-02-20T08:01:00.000+00:002009-02-20T08:01:00.000+00:00Delighted to see you've posted this Rosa. I've bee...Delighted to see you've posted this Rosa. I've been corresponding with George for some time. I posted the link from George's site in the Hootsman and the Herald way back.<BR/><BR/>There have been an amazing number of people come out of the woodwork claiming to be US direct descendants of those survivors forced into indentured servitude in places like Virginia...<BR/><BR/>It's a story that deserves further investigation.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.dunbarmartyrs.com/<BR/><BR/>Rosa, you're right. Post amended.Administratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17028259430483576141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66782476498659556452009-02-20T00:29:00.000+00:002009-02-20T00:29:00.000+00:00KW I've done nothing except offer my support to Ge...KW I've done nothing except offer my support to George and write a couple of emails to Rev Sadgrove. George has done all the work against the odds for quite some time. As I say things are beginning to move so I'll post again when I know exactly what's happening. I stumbled across George's website a bit by accident. His design was nearly as bad as mine at the time! He's obviously improved his web-building skills, which reminds me I must tell him I've noticed.<BR/><BR/>Building a few schools was a cheap price for Cumberland don't you think, but I appreciate your mixed feelings about it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-71124346346390131952009-02-19T22:15:00.000+00:002009-02-19T22:15:00.000+00:00Well done Rosie. I must confess this is the first ...Well done Rosie. I must confess this is the first I have heard of this, I knew Cromwell was a lunatic in the same vein as Longshanks.<BR/><BR/>I went to school in Golspie Sutherland underneath the statue to the Duke of Sutherland, to be fair in a school built by his family. But we were taught nothing of the Highland Clearances or the brutality of Cumberland and the decades of persecution that took place after the 45.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that their has been a great deal of shame and embarrassment on the subject of England's activities in Scotland, and great efforts have taken place over the decades to stop people learning of that dreadful time in our history. Thanks to the internet and people like you and George it is coming to the surface, no wonder we want independence.Key bored warrior.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05192681529004653727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-76670310366325763542009-02-19T22:03:00.000+00:002009-02-19T22:03:00.000+00:00Hi Monty I've been corresponding with George for s...Hi Monty I've been corresponding with George for sometime too, since he had the kick back from the old Dean who was so disinterested.<BR/><BR/>I've the email about the latest news too Monty but I thought George wanted it kept under wraps for the time being. Delighted to hear about it though. It's so good the Durham end is working together with George now.<BR/><BR/>Scunnert mentioned we should have a memorial in Scotland and bring back the bones for a Christian burial but that doesn't seem on the cards at present. That's what I would like. What about you? I'm sure we can raise the money required as the British Legion Scotland have already offered to help.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-49470361723226867452009-02-19T21:16:00.000+00:002009-02-19T21:16:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Administratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17028259430483576141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-9775107784889733842009-02-19T16:06:00.000+00:002009-02-19T16:06:00.000+00:00Brownlie, the old Dean wasn't prepared to help wit...Brownlie, the old Dean wasn't prepared to help with it in the least I don't think. He wanted it brushed under the carpet and didn't want his 'territory' stained with this shame.<BR/><BR/>The 'new' Dean is a person who is most approachable and I think has been very accepting of George's research (much of which is recorded there anyway). So hopefully there will be a suitable Christian end to this horrible sage of Cromwell's reign.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-22866654790831917272009-02-19T13:45:00.000+00:002009-02-19T13:45:00.000+00:00subrosa,I studied history for five years in school...subrosa,<BR/><BR/>I studied history for five years in school and have never heard of this dreadful event. I think our history books are slanted to give a favourable version of events so we grew up thinking the Red Indians were callous murderers and the cowboys were white-hatted heroes.<BR/><BR/>For such a dreadful event to take place in such beautiful surrounding seems, somehow, to make this barbarity even worse and sadly this barbarity still goes on in our name. <BR/><BR/>Little wonder that we are reviled in many parts of the world when we are associated with events such as this.brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-63396232595033025322009-02-19T11:38:00.000+00:002009-02-19T11:38:00.000+00:00Oldrightie I think Dunblane's been well enough rec...Oldrightie I think Dunblane's been well enough recorded, until records are released of course and that'll be another 40 years.<BR/><BR/>Yes it's good history and one man's campaign for justice. I wonder how many other stories there are like this. Hopefully with the help of the internet, people of the mind-set of George Wilson will begin to research our 'undiscovered' history.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-26788745921988947392009-02-19T11:25:00.000+00:002009-02-19T11:25:00.000+00:00For one moment I thought you were to discuss Dunbl...For one moment I thought you were to discuss Dunblane! Good history, though.Oldrightiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192587284458430556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-4816682658972435662009-02-19T01:55:00.000+00:002009-02-19T01:55:00.000+00:00Aye George managed to get some newspaper space and...Aye George managed to get some newspaper space and also he was on Radio Scotland about a year ago scunnered. Much depends on what the geophys finds and it seems the Dean, along with others, are happy for a memorial of some kind to be erected. If you email George he will give you the latest update as he doesn't want too much said publicly because discussions are ongoing. Perhaps it could be given more publicity to get people to attend the unveiling of a memorial.<BR/><BR/>The man deserves a medal for his one man efforts although he has lots behind him now.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-44756058055784087492009-02-19T01:20:00.000+00:002009-02-19T01:20:00.000+00:00Aye, Ah read aboot this in the Herald a year or so...Aye, Ah read aboot this in the Herald a year or so ago - someone had posted the link you give. I was appalled at this story. A war crime perpetrated by the English against the Scots and no mention of it in the Scottish school cariculum. The remains of these men should be repatriated and a memorial to their memory at Dunbar, and another set up at Durham Cathedral to commemorate the infamy of the English under Cromwell .McGonagallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14887321534801112949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66740432719543110912009-02-19T01:18:00.000+00:002009-02-19T01:18:00.000+00:00I'm a supporter of the Spook, have been for quite ...I'm a supporter of the Spook, have been for quite some time. The present Dean is a pleasant person and he's been most helpful to George and things are progressing quite nicely. I can't say too much because negotiations are delicate but a geophys is on the cards and they'll take it from there.<BR/><BR/>It was back in 2008 when I was doing some research of little known Scottish battles that I came across George's website.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66379108344734697692009-02-19T00:54:00.000+00:002009-02-19T00:54:00.000+00:00This sort of History should be tought in our Schoo...This sort of History should be tought in our Schools becouse events like this changed our nation. I dont think they will be to keen on digging up the grounds incase of a 21st century rebelion.<BR/><BR/> Cromwell was an evil man and not far from me is the remains of his citadale. Many parts of Leith are named after him, bloody pig awfulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com