tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post8620904464721682342..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Are We About To Repeat History?subrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-4429279859564875902012-02-16T08:25:48.926+00:002012-02-16T08:25:48.926+00:00Apogee,
I've been trying to convince my Unioni...Apogee,<br />I've been trying to convince my Unionist family members for years about the benefit of independence. They have their opinion on the matter and I have mine.Gedguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217515188959770657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-60370262121996541452012-02-15T18:16:54.308+00:002012-02-15T18:16:54.308+00:00Hi Gedguy, don't think I called any Unionists,...Hi Gedguy, don't think I called any Unionists, traitors or Quislings recently.<br />Misled perhaps, People not understanding the truth of the matter, having being misinformed,possibly by official sources.<br />I agree that everyone is allowed to hold an opinion(so far),you say members of your family are unionists, I would hope we can enlighten you all and so show the error of those opinions.Afraid that there is precious few good manners in political discussion.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-83395335862342081352012-02-15T17:45:57.468+00:002012-02-15T17:45:57.468+00:00Hi Brian, seems a good reason to get out ASAP.
Sea...Hi Brian, seems a good reason to get out ASAP.<br />Sean Penn,I can remember some of his previous history and while he is welcome to have an opinion, would not consider his opinion of any more worth than any other uninformed actor.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-48142011273002547352012-02-15T16:31:00.780+00:002012-02-15T16:31:00.780+00:00I wish people would stop calling some Unionists &#...I wish people would stop calling some Unionists 'traitors' or 'Quislings'. They are not and it is insulting to them. I have members of my family in Dundee who think it wrong that Scotland should break from the Union. I do not call, and would not dream of calling them, traitors. I would prefer the description of being wrong in their arguments. It's not going to help convince the floating voters to vote for independence if we are to lower our standards by calling staunch Unionists, 'traitors'.<br />In any democratic system people of different views have the right to express their heart-felt convictions without being branded something they are not. It is only good manners to respect another's view. We don't have to agree with their stance but it is imperative to understand that they believe that their point of view is the true conviction and that we independent minded people are the so called 'traitors'. They don't call us 'traitors' so why not reciprocate the good manners.Gedguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217515188959770657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-80236997169396658542012-02-15T15:32:28.795+00:002012-02-15T15:32:28.795+00:00Hi Apogee,
We cannot leave because all those tax-f...Hi Apogee,<br />We cannot leave because all those tax-free jobs and pensions for failed politicians would end. <br />I would be more worried that Sean Penn ("I've been to Sotchland, have you?") claims that Scotland can't be independent because it's the jaggedy bit on top of England and so we have first dibs.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358349301959327747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-34647905158746061012012-02-15T14:52:27.546+00:002012-02-15T14:52:27.546+00:00Hi Brian, Thanks for the pointers,Had forgotten ab...Hi Brian, Thanks for the pointers,Had forgotten about Greenland,so there is a precedent for escaping after all !<br />So I wonder why so often we are told we cannot leave,is this deliberate disinformation,we can't do this or that so we just give up ?Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59735092606617185202012-02-15T13:51:26.711+00:002012-02-15T13:51:26.711+00:00Apogee,
You may wish to read up on Algeria and Gr...Apogee, <br />You may wish to read up on Algeria and Greenland's escape from the EU or the constitutional position of the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.<br />The Lisbon Treaty Article 50 sets out the procedure for leaving.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358349301959327747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-58928851227870108692012-02-15T13:20:19.520+00:002012-02-15T13:20:19.520+00:00Captain Ranty, fully agree.
Just thinking about Gr...Captain Ranty, fully agree.<br />Just thinking about Greece, this morning, and am starting to think that what happened here 300 years ago is very similar, it just happened over a longer time, for us ,a slow motion car crash.<br />Do we want to go through that again?<br />We have great potential, as a people and a country, but not as vassals to any one,certainly not to non elected states like the EU,which more and more seems to be copying the old USSR.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-60966909021284857582012-02-15T13:07:14.522+00:002012-02-15T13:07:14.522+00:00Weekend yachtsman, the EU gives many indications i...Weekend yachtsman, the EU gives many indications it believes it is so.<br />If a previously independent state says to the EU, sod you , we are off,<br />what exactly is the EU going to do about it? Interesting question.<br />The only thing to vote for is option 3, Full independence. Then after a period of rational thought the country can decide what alliances,if any , we want to make, not legacy arrangements from the past that we had no say in,and are decidedly not to our advantage.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-53575975143974471502012-02-15T11:30:49.226+00:002012-02-15T11:30:49.226+00:00WY,
If Option 3 appears on the ballot, and I was ...WY,<br /><br />If Option 3 appears on the ballot, and I was convinced it was true independence, I'd sign it in my own blood.<br /><br />IMHO, that is the only independence worth voting for.<br /><br />Look at Greece, folks. THAT is our future 10 years following faux independence.<br /><br />Look at Switzerland or Norway and you can see us in five years time following true independence.<br /><br />Salmond will mess this up if his dreams start and end with becoming a vassal state.<br /><br />CR.Captain Rantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07839241144954596066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-9189919513167624162012-02-15T10:31:08.872+00:002012-02-15T10:31:08.872+00:00" Where did the idea come from that EU law is..." Where did the idea come from that EU law is above international law"<br /><br />It isn't, and there is no such idea.<br /><br />However, EU law is superior to the laws of the member states, that is quite explicit in the treaties of Rome, Maastricht, and Lisbon, and cannot be wished away - not even by the egregious Salmond.<br /><br />Of course it's true that treaties can be abrogated. <br /><br />Are we now suggesting that Scotland might go for real independence, as enjoyed by Norway, Switzerland, Canada, New Zealand, China - to name but a few, and tell the EU where to shove it?<br /><br />Might this be the third option on the Ballot? <br /><br />Option 1 - Status Quo; <br />Option 2 - Leave the UK but remain a vassal state of the EU; <br />Option 3 - Independence?<br /><br />Suddenly I'm getting interested...Weekend Yachtsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262853091154005651noreply@blogger.com