tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post8117654505156098226..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: UK Unionism Needs Restructuringsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-25167534491942759622013-11-06T00:09:40.098+00:002013-11-06T00:09:40.098+00:00No I don’t William. From what I’ve read it was Mr ...No I don’t William. From what I’ve read it was Mr McClusky who played with peoples lives.<br /><br />The dispute was ongoing for 3 years so the union knew Ineos’ stance and refused to negotiate. Furthermore they then decided ‘strike mode’ was the answer.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-33322618631123566762013-11-04T08:59:44.719+00:002013-11-04T08:59:44.719+00:00You don't consider that the behaviour of Ineos...You don't consider that the behaviour of Ineos - threatening to shut down the petrochemical industry in Scotland simply so they could get rid of one man - to be slightly provocative?<br /><br />It was sometimes referred to as a throwback to 1970's industrial relations. The difference, it seems to me, is that it was the employer who wanted to play 'chicken' with peoples lives, not the union.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14384257837409326870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-49864018834408842252013-11-03T02:40:25.285+00:002013-11-03T02:40:25.285+00:00We must never lose hope Crinkly. but also must rem...We must never lose hope Crinkly. but also must remember it's measured in degrees. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-40443713413587235702013-11-02T15:57:47.205+00:002013-11-02T15:57:47.205+00:00Openness, honesty, communication. aspiration, comm...Openness, honesty, communication. aspiration, common sense, common purpose for the common weal would be a start Rosa - but perhaps under the global yoke it would be a triumph of hope over miracles.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-14756064500980065652013-11-02T01:12:37.138+00:002013-11-02T01:12:37.138+00:00I’ve seen it now, thanks to you wisnaeme. Is that ...I’ve seen it now, thanks to you wisnaeme. Is that the kiss of death for independence? :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-41380400095756068182013-11-02T01:11:57.939+00:002013-11-02T01:11:57.939+00:00You always produce the most interesting historic f...You always produce the most interesting historic facts Edward. Thank you.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66383115417362434602013-11-02T01:10:12.845+00:002013-11-02T01:10:12.845+00:00Yes indeed Demetrius.Yes indeed Demetrius.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77880943984483395662013-11-02T01:09:24.401+00:002013-11-02T01:09:24.401+00:00What could be put in place to protect workers thou...What could be put in place to protect workers though Crinkly?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-3835182370502349042013-11-02T01:08:13.551+00:002013-11-02T01:08:13.551+00:00You’re right JRB although the I see the darkness c...You’re right JRB although the I see the darkness continuing.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-70468143986900671672013-11-02T00:25:10.169+00:002013-11-02T00:25:10.169+00:00Whoops. I meant Len McClusky.Whoops. I meant Len McClusky.wisnaemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08321760444005969142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-72109526683470535292013-11-01T23:35:44.254+00:002013-11-01T23:35:44.254+00:00Curiously that is not the only UNITE official, ret...Curiously that is not the only UNITE official, retired or otherwise who has given respect and praise where it is due. Has anyone seen Len McCluskie's piece in the Daily Record today? How extraordinary. wisnaemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08321760444005969142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-7485358819648958022013-11-01T17:49:37.920+00:002013-11-01T17:49:37.920+00:00It was certainly widely rumoured when he took offi...It was certainly widely rumoured when he took office - and quite in character - that the Labour Minister of Agriculture, Jack Cunningham (known as "Junket Jack" from his fondness for freebies), reportedly said that he was really looking forward to doing to the farmers what the Tories had done to the miners.<br /><br />With attitudes and motives like that it is not surprising that industrial and economic disruption have been our lot.<br /><br />Demetrius is quite right. Trade unionists, particularly communist shop stewards, led a campaign to undermine the war effort in 1940 when Hitler & Stalin were allies. There were even strikes in aircraft factories during the Battle of Britain. We often hear about fascist sympathisers from that time but never about the left which really did help Hitler by obstructing "The bosses' war" (as they called it).<br /><br />Germany, of course, is doing relatively well now because it has rigged the currency system of Europe to its great advantage, as well as having a disciplined work force.<br /><br />I remember Manny Shinwell saying that he had never met such unpleasant, stupid, selfish people as the coal owners - until he had to deal with the National Union of Mineworkers!<br /><br />After nationalisation, they wanted no part or responsibility at all for the running and development of their industry. They just marched in and presented their demands for improvements in wages and conditions "or else" . And in the then state of the country were able to enforce their demands.<br /><br />Incidentally, it is often forgotten that the pre war (largely Conservative) National government actually passed an Act to nationalise coal. The war put a stop to the detailed process of agreeing compensation etc. So it went into cold storage for the duration.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-9045731480271971602013-11-01T16:26:51.643+00:002013-11-01T16:26:51.643+00:00We have ways of making you work. More seriously w...We have ways of making you work. More seriously when the German set up was created back in the 1950's they were mindful of the UK situation and how the activity of some TU hardliners might have lost us the war. They certainly lost us the peace and now may lose us the Union.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-4980339110816867982013-11-01T12:46:31.435+00:002013-11-01T12:46:31.435+00:00The idiocy of the Them-n-us policies adopted by bo...The idiocy of the Them-n-us policies adopted by both employers and unions is a mythasaur capable of providing nothing but dissent.<br /><br />It has no sustainable function nor place in the 21st century other than as a Trojan horse to mask the covert positions of both parties.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-293817274664574242013-11-01T11:33:41.237+00:002013-11-01T11:33:41.237+00:00Your fellow bridge player is absolutely correct.
...Your fellow bridge player is absolutely correct.<br /><br />This has been a dark, dark episode in the history of trade unionism.<br /><br />I have always held the belief that at the core of every Scot runs a thread of socialism (with a small ‘s’) or what may be better described as a genuine regard for ones fellow man.<br />Traditional trade unionism would be a natural progression and manifestation of that regard for ones fellow man in the work-place<br /><br />What has happened of late has gone far, far beyond such benevolent fundamental principals it as mutated into the very worst of political rhetoric and aggression.<br />The so called ‘leverage teams’ are but the red shirts, the unpleasant 'klu klux klan' wing of modern trade unionism.JRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01864418763227369458noreply@blogger.com