tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post7975826389440497432..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: The SNP Have Some Questions To Answer And Soonsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-45144765176543019382011-11-12T14:25:09.480+00:002011-11-12T14:25:09.480+00:00Hi RM, was just thinking the other day if you were...Hi RM, was just thinking the other day if you were ok. Pleased to see you.<br /><br />I'll ask around about memcaches.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-65422367995448888532011-11-12T12:17:50.084+00:002011-11-12T12:17:50.084+00:00I've not been able to comment for a few weeks ...I've not been able to comment for a few weeks SR. Some mencache fail whatever that is. Wee test with IE instead of Firefox....<br />Seems to work :)RMcGeddonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01665173796157838927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-44865020565105409082011-11-12T01:57:01.272+00:002011-11-12T01:57:01.272+00:00Thanks for that footdee. That's the type of i...Thanks for that footdee. That's the type of information which should be included in public debate.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-65340568511645592652011-11-12T01:56:09.094+00:002011-11-12T01:56:09.094+00:00William, I've also read that but I've read...William, I've also read that but I've read contradictions too.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-46042239212482928682011-11-12T01:52:13.445+00:002011-11-12T01:52:13.445+00:00William, a cut and paste from Drew Scot, a profess...William, a cut and paste from Drew Scot, a professor at Edinburgh uni.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the paper then becomes muddled, nowhere more so than in an independent Scotland’s obligations vis-à-vis the euro. There is simply no precedent or mechanism under EU law whereby an EU member state can be dragooned, unwillingly, into membership of the eurozone. Before being eligible to join, the currency of the country must have been inside the EU exchange rate mechanism (ERM) for at least two years. ERM membership cannot be required of any country, and even countries whose currencies are inside the ERM voluntarily (such as Sweden’s since 1995) have never been requested – far less compelled – to join the eurozone. It will fall entirely to the government of an independent Scotland to decide its own currency arrangements. Your readers should rest assured that an independent Scotland inside the EU (but not the eurozone) will not be confronted with a multi-billion pound bill to support eurozone countries currently in difficulty with sovereign debtfootdeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03887499078085037185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-6702693511033419452011-11-12T01:14:19.333+00:002011-11-12T01:14:19.333+00:00SR, my understanding is that membership of the EU,...SR, my understanding is that membership of the EU, now or in the future, has an undertaking of adopting the Euro as a condition of membership.<br /><br />So Alex Salmond can promise a referendum if he likes but entering the Eurozone will be a prerequisite for a newcomer like an independent Scotland.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14384257837409326870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-55840096401471840202011-11-12T01:08:26.413+00:002011-11-12T01:08:26.413+00:00Pa-broon, I too suggest that the Swiss and Norwegi...Pa-broon, I too suggest that the Swiss and Norwegian positions would be more suited to us.<br /><br />Sorry, didn't hear STV news tonight. Are you sure he didn't only mention the Euro?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-27731977114419528242011-11-12T01:07:00.843+00:002011-11-12T01:07:00.843+00:00I've never heard Alex Salmond say the Scots wo...I've never heard Alex Salmond say the Scots would be offered a referendum on EU membership, only a yes/no for joining the Euro footdee.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-72485139117377063492011-11-12T01:05:28.198+00:002011-11-12T01:05:28.198+00:00I rarely agree with Bill Jamieson either Crinkly, ...I rarely agree with Bill Jamieson either Crinkly, but his article was one of the few occasions I did.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-2017914865058472582011-11-12T01:03:59.977+00:002011-11-12T01:03:59.977+00:00You've a good point there Apogee. An independ...You've a good point there Apogee. An independent Scotland should be able to strike a hard bargain.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-17678986414276455082011-11-12T01:03:16.365+00:002011-11-12T01:03:16.365+00:00The EU is a problem for all of us right now Woodsy...The EU is a problem for all of us right now Woodsy and not a pleasant one either.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-90783858636264820502011-11-12T01:01:48.481+00:002011-11-12T01:01:48.481+00:00I hope he does EP. There are plenty Scots like my...I hope he does EP. There are plenty Scots like myself who would like clarity on this and not only from the SNP stance - the unionist parties should lay their cards on the table too.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31825591030804097042011-11-12T01:00:26.656+00:002011-11-12T01:00:26.656+00:00To be fair William, Alex Salmond has repeatedly sa...To be fair William, Alex Salmond has repeatedly said there would be a referendum re an independent Scotland joining the Euro.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-72543682706647968142011-11-12T00:59:30.989+00:002011-11-12T00:59:30.989+00:00I can't see it folding Apogee but I'd like...I can't see it folding Apogee but I'd like to see it reshaped so as the countries involved still have some control and responsibility for themselves.<br /><br />It is a contradiction.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-40503518597168268342011-11-12T00:57:34.566+00:002011-11-12T00:57:34.566+00:00Bigrab, has the SNP ever mentioned a referendum on...Bigrab, has the SNP ever mentioned a referendum on the EU? I've never noticed that. Alex Salmond says there will be one regarding joining the Euro but nothing about whether we should be full members or not.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68820395344688601212011-11-12T00:55:48.347+00:002011-11-12T00:55:48.347+00:00TartanSeer, I would like to see Scotland take a po...TartanSeer, I would like to see Scotland take a position similar to Switzerland. I'm not anti the EU per se or as it was back in the 80s, but it's become completely out of control.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-67020069598797948282011-11-12T00:53:52.321+00:002011-11-12T00:53:52.321+00:00Dubbie, thanks for the link. I'd already read...Dubbie, thanks for the link. I'd already read it but hope others do too.<br /><br />My problem is not whether the EU would accept Scotland as a member but if Scotland should become a full member.<br /><br />There is lots of conflicting 'evidence' out there and I think the SNP should show clearly the options we have.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-25033146326673697642011-11-12T00:50:08.305+00:002011-11-12T00:50:08.305+00:00Some good points there Edward, although I don'...Some good points there Edward, although I don't see why Scotland becoming independent would have such an impact on the rest of the UK. After all, 'we're subsidised' by our southern friends.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-44578257734602386272011-11-12T00:47:47.012+00:002011-11-12T00:47:47.012+00:00Joe, unfortunately your link doesn't work. :(Joe, unfortunately your link doesn't work. :(subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-73014453032467431842011-11-11T16:33:01.926+00:002011-11-11T16:33:01.926+00:00What footdee said. Alex Salmond said exactly that ...What footdee said. Alex Salmond said exactly that on the first edition of Scotland Tonight on STV.<br /><br />More over, as a point of order, comparing being subservient to the EU as an independent Scotland or being subserviant to Britain in the UK is a non-argument because currently we have no say whatsoever in Europe.<br /><br />Luxembourg with a population 1/20th (I think, fractions were never my strong point) has more MEP's than Scotland does.<br /><br />My own opinion is to keep the whole thing at arms length, its a massive mess. Norway as far as I can gather has the best balance available.pa_broon74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01915208411019621104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-27719569526909593072011-11-11T12:11:18.188+00:002011-11-11T12:11:18.188+00:00What a lot of Victor Meldrews.
The answer to your ...What a lot of Victor Meldrews.<br />The answer to your concerns is in front of you .After independence vote for the party that offers what you want,The SNP have already said that there will be a referendum on these matters.<br />As it stands Scotland is locked into Europe with the UK and none of the UK parties offer a referendum on membership.footdeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03887499078085037185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-45541067040110426882011-11-11T12:01:55.083+00:002011-11-11T12:01:55.083+00:00I rarely agree with Bill Jamieson nor the paper he...I rarely agree with Bill Jamieson nor the paper he writes for, but in this respect - with the insertion of dangerous in place of useless he has my wholehearted support.<br /><br />The present crises has shown the EU as the undemocratic, coercive, and fundamentally corrupt and doctrinaire oligarchy that it is.<br /><br />As a supporter of Scottish independence it remains a disturbing mystery to me why Salmond and the SNP would even consider joining such an institution.<br /><br />My only hope is, while he may consider it beneficial to be 'pragmatic' until such time as independence is a fact, that he really does mean it will be for the Scottish people to decide whether they want to be in or out.<br /><br />Salmond is on the brink of earning the title of Statesman - this could be the issue that proves or disproves his credentials.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-76560153770597161822011-11-11T11:04:02.730+00:002011-11-11T11:04:02.730+00:00I don't know the legal situation but consideri...I don't know the legal situation but considering the oil, alternative energy, and yes, coal wealth in this country, we may have more grief shaking off the claws of the EUSSR than we will have getting shot of the UK.That of course depends on the continued existence of the EUSSR and in what form.<br />But we are of more use to them than they are to us,as they are currently striving to prove.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77920593833022322072011-11-11T09:48:03.760+00:002011-11-11T09:48:03.760+00:00Leaving the UK and staying in the EU would be jump...Leaving the UK and staying in the EU would be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.<br />But as a southerner that's thankfully not my problem!Woodsy42https://www.blogger.com/profile/12355671210161625647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31417347427418636812011-11-11T09:28:41.778+00:002011-11-11T09:28:41.778+00:00I suspect that before Britain joined the EU, Scotl...I suspect that before Britain joined the EU, Scotland had far more independence within the Union than it is likely to have as a sovereign state within the EU. Would there be a "Scottish Grand Committee" set up in the Strasbourg parliament to safeguard Scottish interests? <br />Surely "Independence within the EU" is an oxymoron as more than 80% of our laws now emanate from Brussels. Even the Scottish Legal system, of which most Scots have rightly been proud for centuries, is now subservient to the European Courts.<br /><br />Perhaps Salmond would care to explain sometime.English Pensionerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15271488641341955140noreply@blogger.com