tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post7589836182522862..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Rails - A Guest Postsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-82913902240175093962013-02-08T07:51:54.526+00:002013-02-08T07:51:54.526+00:00For all those feeling nostalgic, we have an excell...For all those feeling nostalgic, we have an excellent tram museum at Crich in Derbyshire, often with themed Forties weekends etc.<br /><br />When I was first acquainted with my Glaswegian wife, she mentioned the tram depot at Auchinshuggle. I really thought the name must be a comedic invention, like Ballygobackwards in Ireland. Then we visited the museum and, sure enough, there was Auchinshuggle on a Glasgow tram's destination board, "But" said Herself " That number never went to Auchinshuggle"..<br /><br />There is also a Trolley Bus Preservation Society. I just happen to know of it because my noble friend, the doughty Eurosceptic Old Labour peer, Lord Stoddart of Swindon, is its President.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-26725578948940789252010-11-13T12:18:00.201+00:002010-11-13T12:18:00.201+00:00'The Last Tram'
http://www.youtube.com/wat...'The Last Tram'<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2DmTnXlDA<br /><br />That's a wonderful film, superbly edited and shows just how much life in a City has changed. The crew rooms, the banter - everything. <br /><br />Thanks for the link JRB.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03085466471703759531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-78596720972540924442010-11-13T08:43:06.769+00:002010-11-13T08:43:06.769+00:00Nostalgia is a powerful emotion. I read somewhere ...Nostalgia is a powerful emotion. I read somewhere it is also classified as a medical condition, in which case I am as sick as anyone!<br /><br />Just yesterday, I acted as conductor on a private hire Routemaster bus carrying a wedding party across London. The guests were appreciative of the bus, and one stated she would love to spend all day riding across London on such a vehicle. But she can - London is full of double deck buses that would carry her thus, but does she? No, because they are there, surrounding us daily, commonplace, that which is familar breeds contempt. It is only when such things are gone that the heart strings are pulled, and we succumb to that with which relates and connects us back to childhood, or past qualities of life.<br /><br />Many thanks for the comments, and to Rosie for a space for expression.<br /><br />Derek.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03085466471703759531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-7977757209236536392010-11-13T02:53:09.773+00:002010-11-13T02:53:09.773+00:00DL, you've lost me completely. :)DL, you've lost me completely. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-80232894712678100682010-11-13T02:37:32.138+00:002010-11-13T02:37:32.138+00:00You've obviously never been in sales. Sell th...You've obviously never been in sales. Sell the sizzle!Dark Lochnagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09086636653505467565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-46681678958256141232010-11-13T00:13:57.373+00:002010-11-13T00:13:57.373+00:00This project, like the SP, has been abysmally hand...This project, like the SP, has been abysmally handled though Joe.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-53762104591804536162010-11-13T00:13:10.244+00:002010-11-13T00:13:10.244+00:00That is one of the pities Demetrius. I understand...That is one of the pities Demetrius. I understand some rail networks in Edinburgh would have been a viable option but that was rejected.<br /><br />Aye, I'm just a romantic about trams but I can see they won't solve any Edinburgh traffic problems.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-24776029813148418872010-11-13T00:11:04.216+00:002010-11-13T00:11:04.216+00:00They were noisy, draughty and could shake false te...They were noisy, draughty and could shake false teeth out of a mouth I'm sure Apogee.<br /><br />I think transport in Edinburgh will be a nightmare once/if this rail link ever becomes reality.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-5957846324421148682010-11-13T00:08:46.564+00:002010-11-13T00:08:46.564+00:00Thank you for that link John. I remember the last...Thank you for that link John. I remember the last tram coming up Dens Road, Dundee but I have no souvenirs. We crowded the pavements and everyone stood silently. Yes, an era was over.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-44353749905853265832010-11-13T00:06:26.204+00:002010-11-13T00:06:26.204+00:00I'm sure Derek will be pleased to read that Ju...I'm sure Derek will be pleased to read that Julia.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-20906376686094667242010-11-13T00:06:03.131+00:002010-11-13T00:06:03.131+00:00Even someone like me could see problems before the...Even someone like me could see problems before the project was started. I remember the problems Dundee had taking up the rails far less laying them Jess.<br /><br />Good to see you BTW.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-87020645700664513512010-11-12T17:53:33.796+00:002010-11-12T17:53:33.796+00:00I just wish those authorities which authorise such...I just wish those authorities which authorise such grandiose schemes pay for inevitable cost-overruns out of their existing budgets. [i.e. Taxpayers don't inherit extra costs]<br /><br />As Derek correctly points out their notional 'efficiency' ignores real-life inefficiencies created by operational inflexibility.<br /><br />You can guarantee that the creators of such 'efficiency' calculations conveniently ignore consequential inefficiencies. [They probably qualify as candidates for the Nobel Prize for Fiction.]Joe Publichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829909061904690380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-9111485536499833172010-11-12T15:24:40.258+00:002010-11-12T15:24:40.258+00:00Great post. I have the "heads or hearts"...Great post. I have the "heads or hearts" problem. I even have a Trams folder on file for when I am in a sentimental mood. My heart wants to see them rattling through the streets again. But my head says that in most places it is an expensive and inflexible solution. It can work on the streets only if there is a massive reduction in urban area traffic. One of the pities is that so many urban areas once had rail networks which if retained and linked would have made decent light rail frequent stopping systems.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-8224680631545543512010-11-12T11:45:01.414+00:002010-11-12T11:45:01.414+00:00Have to agree with the points made.Trams are back ...Have to agree with the points made.Trams are back to the past, they were a solution to a problem at the end of the 19th century,they will cause big problems in the 21st century.A few days ago there was an article here about the trams in Melbourne.The original system was built at a time when the population was small and land was plentiful, the width of the roads testified to that.In 1960 I was working in Melbourne, for all of three weeks and as it happened trams were the easiest way to get to work,because it was a 10 mile run and a lot of it was light rail,not on the road.<br />For the first few days it was a novelty which very quickly wore off. Noisy, draughty if the doors were left open, and downright dangerous in the city when you had to cross two lanes of traffic on each side and remember to watch for trams coming the other way as well.<br />must be a lot worse now.I noticed in the clip that the old trams are still in use, that would be very old trams now. Edinburgh will certainly have a interesting experience, If the system is ever completed. Hope they can afford it!Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-8172361150683939492010-11-12T10:25:33.346+00:002010-11-12T10:25:33.346+00:00Can’t argue with any of the points made
… but
C...Can’t argue with any of the points made<br /><br />… but <br /><br />Call me an old romantic fool, but having been brought up in Glasgow, the ‘Caur’ will forever hold a place of fondness and affection in my heart.<br /><br />I still have the ticket from my last ever tram ride, and tucked away safely in a drawer is an old penny bent in half, having been placed under the wheels of Glasgow’s very last tram.<br /><br />I now find it vastly amusing that a lifetime later, a new generation has discovered the tram and wish to introduce them into our cities.<br /><br />You must watch -<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2DmTnXlDAJRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01864418763227369458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77145864976898462332010-11-12T10:16:39.207+00:002010-11-12T10:16:39.207+00:00And this is what makes reading blogs so worthwhile...And this is what makes reading blogs so worthwhile; the chance to see, with fresh eyes, something you may never before have even considered!JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-37350398966943212902010-11-12T09:46:17.005+00:002010-11-12T09:46:17.005+00:00The Edinburgh tram is using a lot of off-road spac...The Edinburgh tram is using a lot of off-road space as a way of bypassing bottleneck congestion on the A8. Because of economies of scale it is not cost effective to build a limited network. The main problems are in the City Centre and Leith, particularly on shared roadspace and where there are complex underground utilities that need to be moved to the side of the road for future access. These vehicles are more like trains than buses...they reach high speeds off-road and are light rail...which is effectively heavy rail under design and safety standards. Throw all that into a City Centre with a reactionary approach to development...when it suits them...and you can see the trouble.Jess The Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01694805454982688213noreply@blogger.com