tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post7547922991024108684..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: English Independencesubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-48962933378483849032011-10-20T20:28:56.920+01:002011-10-20T20:28:56.920+01:00Hi Anon. The NE has more in common with Scotland t...Hi Anon. The NE has more in common with Scotland than England. Mind you I don't know how they would see that.petem130https://www.blogger.com/profile/15948128258971700269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36899961904197054612011-10-20T20:26:38.037+01:002011-10-20T20:26:38.037+01:00Crinkly. Totally agree.As has been stated before &...Crinkly. Totally agree.As has been stated before "the truth is out there".petem130https://www.blogger.com/profile/15948128258971700269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66709209849429727612011-10-20T18:22:35.127+01:002011-10-20T18:22:35.127+01:00The area which suffers most from London rule is th...The area which suffers most from London rule is the North of England.<br /><br />A recent report showed that there has been a 19% increase in the number of businesses in distress in the North East of England.<br /><br />The same report showed a 4% DECREASE in the number of businesses in distress in Scotland.<br /><br />(Guardian 17 October 2011 - Report by Begbies and Traynor)<br /><br />- AangirfanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-91659442548869986542011-10-20T18:17:27.323+01:002011-10-20T18:17:27.323+01:00The area which suffers most from London rule is th...The area which suffers most from London rule is the North of England.<br /><br />A recent report showed that there has been a 19% increase in the number of businesses in distress in the North East of England.<br /><br />The same report showed a 4% DECREASE in the number of businesses in distress in Scotland.<br /><br />(Guardian 17 October 2011 - Report by Begbies and Traynor)<br /><br />- AangirfanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-46139386401488304632011-10-20T12:44:53.726+01:002011-10-20T12:44:53.726+01:00Tedious - nothing works when its introduction is b...Tedious - nothing works when its introduction is based on lies and obfuscation. It then comes under the lexicon of seduction.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-22450659015300218522011-10-20T00:52:58.124+01:002011-10-20T00:52:58.124+01:00Jeanne, I would never remove one of your comments ...Jeanne, I would never remove one of your comments as your opinions are a valued part of any discussion.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59767265817617922922011-10-19T20:28:27.766+01:002011-10-19T20:28:27.766+01:00Tedious Tantrums, you might *choose* to see it as ...Tedious Tantrums, you might *choose* to see it as mutual, but I have yet to see abuse of the English by a Scot on a forum (and on occasion it does happen) that another Scot doesn't call them on it as being inappropriate and xenophobic.<br /><br />So no. I'm afraid that is not the case. It in no wise looks like "abuse of each other" and I suggest a reality check.J. R. Tomlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01109874615059334200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-30599763800274066812011-10-19T20:16:07.183+01:002011-10-19T20:16:07.183+01:00Crinkly and Ragged. Very interesting observation t...Crinkly and Ragged. Very interesting observation thanks and smacks of truth. Does it also work with the UK and the EU?Tedious Tantrumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763623979918187951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-51403782164113262762011-10-19T20:09:55.064+01:002011-10-19T20:09:55.064+01:00Well JRT there's always a value on hearing an ...Well JRT there's always a value on hearing an outsiders view. It's interesting that the English and Scottish abuse of each other doesn't seem to be covered by equality, racial, politically correct rules etc. Hmmmmm...<br /><br />We all have whingers within our ranks. I really appreciate your comments. Thanks.Tedious Tantrumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763623979918187951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31906441185690670272011-10-19T19:37:40.721+01:002011-10-19T19:37:40.721+01:00You're right Demetrius. I'm hoping that th...You're right Demetrius. I'm hoping that the new global warming is the EU. A sinking ship that'll hang around until the vested interests finally get the message (once the money runs out). Let's hope.Tedious Tantrumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763623979918187951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-47898012487456652892011-10-19T19:34:09.743+01:002011-10-19T19:34:09.743+01:00Tris,
The UK and Britian = English. That's fi...Tris, <br />The UK and Britian = English. That's fine to a degree but can be a but of a pain. They have some way to go. It would be better if they started anytime soon since things may get taken out of their hands. It's better to make your own decisions rather than ending up having other people doing it for you. Thanks.Tedious Tantrumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763623979918187951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-69498804341966113532011-10-19T19:28:46.719+01:002011-10-19T19:28:46.719+01:00Woman on Raft. Thanks for your observations which ...Woman on Raft. Thanks for your observations which make perfect sense. The way the St Georges Flag has slowly come to the fore is like a kind of indicator. It's a step along the way. More way!!! Thanks.Tedious Tantrumshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763623979918187951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-71056383991209677082011-10-19T18:21:51.182+01:002011-10-19T18:21:51.182+01:00Tedious -England is already independent. It is onl...Tedious -England is already independent. It is only the country's that have been deceived into a false belief of dependency that are not.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-24277825080509081902011-10-19T17:54:22.618+01:002011-10-19T17:54:22.618+01:00Ok, warning. I am going to be mean about the Engli...Ok, warning. I am going to be mean about the English so if it bothers you, stop reading now.<br /><br />Remember, I am an American. I started reading political issues because of my long-standing connections with Scotland, not because of any bad feeling (or feeling one way or the other, to be honest) about the English. <br /><br />But then they got my attention. They whinge about how much Scotland gets. They use xenophobic and racist language about the Scots. They use blatant terms of abuse about nationalists.<br /><br />And let's be honest here. This isn't the exception, it is the norm. Time after time. And do other English say, "hey, that's not acceptable"? No. This is acceptable behaviour if you are English. <br /><br />And they whinge on and on about the West Lothian question and how unfair it is that they don't have an English parliament. I'd agree IF THEY WERE OUT WORKING FOR ONE! How many decades of work and campaigning did it take for Scotland to get one? And TWO referendums, both successful in spite of the underhanded business that declared the first to be lost. But did the Scots give up? No. They kept working to re-instate their own parliament.<br /><br />How many English do you see doing that? Um? None? They much prefer repeating the lies about Scots being layabouts who live off the English dole. <br /><br />Sorry. But they can't do much to me (unless Rosie would like to remove the post ;-) ) for saying the truth. I have utterly lost respect for the English because of their own rotten, lousy behaviour.J. R. Tomlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01109874615059334200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-28461673419432547882011-10-19T12:04:24.227+01:002011-10-19T12:04:24.227+01:00Alas, the UK in not independent and nor is any par...Alas, the UK in not independent and nor is any part of it or for that matter other entities in the Atlantic Isles, Ireland has now realised that it lost what little it had recently. We are not just rats in our own sack, we are all small rats in the global sack. England can only have more say if it detachs itself from Westminster and London, which is essentially what Scottish "Independence" is about. In Scotland's case the idea is to be simply a more distinct bit of the global corporate racket.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-42143278987047841182011-10-19T11:57:35.484+01:002011-10-19T11:57:35.484+01:00I get a bit fed up with English moans about all th...I get a bit fed up with English moans about all the Celtic countries having parliaments and the English not having one ... and how they are subsidising everyone with their hard earned taxes, when they aren't and when in fact everyone subsidises London.<br /><br />The reason that everyone else has a parliament and they don't, is that their parliament is and always has been, Westminster.<br /><br />The UK was and still is England. That there are other nations around about it is not really of interest to most English people, and why should it be? Do most of us think a lot about Shetland, or Harris, or Benbecula?<br /><br />There was (and still is) a Scottish Office, in the same way that there was an India Office or a Colonial Office. These territories were not part of the day to day business of parliament, and because of their peripheral nature, an office was set up to look after their affairs. To get them noticed, if only ever so briefly. There was no need for one for England. The main business of the parliament was to run England.<br /><br />To give the English a parliament would to be to accept the Liberal Democrat 'federal' solution, which now they have become Tories, they seem to have ditched.<br /><br />There would be a parliament for each of the countries/provinces and one which would look after federal issues, rather like Washington DC or Berlin.<br /><br />In any case, if that is what the English want, then what have they done to achieve it. Is there a huge campaign? Do they petition parliament, do they march?<br /><br />Thought not. Just whine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-90737632914221984982011-10-19T10:42:51.420+01:002011-10-19T10:42:51.420+01:00It is an on going mystery to me to try to understa...<i>It is an on going mystery to me to try to understand why English people do not assert their Englishness</i><br /><br />I can explain that. The British identity was a container fashioned to contain the constituent identities of the UK, particularly the English one. It did so very successfully so that if you had asked someone generally until about twenty years ago "are you British or English" they would have been hard-put to decide which box to tick. <br /><br />As Anon on my blog has pointed out, the essence of Englishness was that they did not need to signal it and rather disapproved of those who did. They still do. You can see this attitude illuminated by Kipling in Stalky and Co, where Stalky - quintessentially English - is very dusty indeed about crude displays of nationalism. <br /><br />The devolution of Scotland and Wales was bound to fracture the British identity but that is only very recent and the older identity was very strong, held in much affection.<br /><br />The English don't signal Englishness because they are not sure yet who they are and there has been a concerted attempt in the last decade to dilute that identity before they figure it out.Woman on a Rafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897415591130901416noreply@blogger.com