tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post5440852442151543755..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Trust me, I'm a ....!subrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-64498810961169236942011-04-13T06:02:04.072+01:002011-04-13T06:02:04.072+01:00Demetrius has mentioned one of the points I wished...Demetrius has mentioned one of the points I wished to make, but the other is the use of the word. It's still regularly used by government quangos, the largest being NHS Trusts of course.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-20717358787664887652011-04-12T19:47:04.243+01:002011-04-12T19:47:04.243+01:00Apogee -true.
And if we had a true democracy they ...Apogee -true.<br />And if we had a true democracy they would be worried. But we haven't so they're not.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-76898754159179873732011-04-12T18:12:09.764+01:002011-04-12T18:12:09.764+01:00Thanks John.
And we don't trust politicians ...Thanks John. <br /><br />And we don't trust politicians and governments because they don't tell the truth! <br /><br />Simple cause and effect!Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-54667634220663858832011-04-12T15:48:04.643+01:002011-04-12T15:48:04.643+01:00JRB - my one argument would be on whether truth an...JRB - my one argument would be on whether truth and trust can be separated - even the scientist trying to disprove or prove a colleagues theory does so on the bases that it has integrity.<br /><br />The one amendment would be - while truth can earn trust, trust doesn't necessarily earn truth - which is perhaps the epithet which underlines the article.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-12851054590634743792011-04-12T15:38:12.683+01:002011-04-12T15:38:12.683+01:00Demetrius - JRB has a point as to the universality...Demetrius - JRB has a point as to the universality of trust. And yes its diminishing probably and primarily because we have more access to cause and effect than was available to earlier generations.<br /><br />But surely that phenomena should be known and acknowledge by those who initiate the cause?Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-42916712122827234642011-04-12T14:12:07.760+01:002011-04-12T14:12:07.760+01:00Surely man as a species is born with absolute and ...Surely man as a species is born with absolute and universal trust.<br /><br />In infancy much of that trust is lost by experience. The fluffy kitten scratches, the buzzy bee stings, and the cuddly puppy bites.<br />As an older child yet more trust is lost by instruction. Don’t talk to that stranger, don’t play with those bad children, don’t trust them they are different.<br /><br />So perhaps a loss of trust is no more than a natural human defence mechanism.<br /><br />In later years we may allow a select few back into our circle of trust, but we do so as individuals. Society has never <i>en masse</i> universally accepted an individual or organisation on trust.<br /><br />It would be a grave misconception if any politician or business mogul were to believe that they or whatever they represent could attain universal trust.<br /><br /><i>You can please/fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not please/fool all of the people all of the time.</i> <br /><br />Truth and trust are surely two distinct concepts, and neither need be mutually dependant upon the other.JRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01864418763227369458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-13101873770161458002011-04-12T13:43:27.258+01:002011-04-12T13:43:27.258+01:00Is my impression wrong, that the number of organis...Is my impression wrong, that the number of organisations and bodies that you can now have some kind of "trust" in has shrunk radically over the last two or three decades. What is alarming is the nature and level of the garbage we get routinely from official bodies, the civil service and local government.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-90106945810130658152011-04-12T13:41:26.422+01:002011-04-12T13:41:26.422+01:00I've highly recommended it to my friends.
......I've highly recommended it to my friends.<br /><br />...and I'm not without knowledge on the subject. Myself having for years fought against the abuse of trust and the politicians, money people and their lackies who pay lip service to "trust" as a means to gain renumeration at other "trusting" folk's detrimental expence, not to mention hardship and penury.wisnaemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08321760444005969142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-18582383642882577132011-04-12T13:26:51.587+01:002011-04-12T13:26:51.587+01:00Wisneame - Glad you enjoyed it.Wisneame - Glad you enjoyed it.Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-67677444830209267702011-04-12T13:25:06.769+01:002011-04-12T13:25:06.769+01:00Joe -second attempt -i think we've had this di...Joe -second attempt -i think we've had this discussion before re: bank charges.<br /><br />While it isn't really the point raised in the article I think the differences in our points of view is the relationship between cost and exploitation.<br /><br />C'mon Joe, put on your human hat. Nobody's perfect and penury has to be balanced on a very thin rope without having to offset the squalls of exploitation.<br /><br />And just to underline my position it has been measured that the banks made annually between £2.5 - £3 billion clear profit from this practice. A figure supported by the banks when they bleated that were this practice to end it would mean the end of 'free banking.'Crinkly & Ragged Arsed Philosophershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08902364411241935656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-42169358188635600092011-04-12T10:56:12.557+01:002011-04-12T10:56:12.557+01:00An interesting posting John.
Trust works both way...An interesting posting John.<br /><br />Trust works both ways.<br /><br />I have limited legal knowledge, but regarding just one part of your article:<br /><br />"...... a (person), realising how much his bank was costing him took them to court on the charges they were levying on his account; on the bases they were a penalty charge, way above any relationship to the actual costs of their administration ...... "<br /><br />Does the above relates to ' "penalties" for being overdrawn without prior agreement'? <br /><br />If it does, then what's wrong with any organisation offering a contract which basically states words to the effect "You may <i>take</i> more money than is in your account, but if <b>you</b> choose to, without our prior agreement (i.e. a common courtesy), we will charge you £x."? <br /><br />The remedy for an individual is simple, to avoid paying that contractual obligation, don't get overdrawn.Joe Publichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829909061904690380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-60893552167113554772011-04-12T10:36:17.495+01:002011-04-12T10:36:17.495+01:00Thankyou John.Thankyou John.wisnaemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08321760444005969142noreply@blogger.com