tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post4986696114173592163..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: An Example of the EU Dividendsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-50654631044438049822010-01-03T17:54:38.524+00:002010-01-03T17:54:38.524+00:00Ah the EU Vigil, now there's a conundrum if th...Ah the EU Vigil, now there's a conundrum if there ever was one!<br /><br />I did a poll a few weeks ago. Think it was 65% who wanted out of it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36304121766100548882010-01-03T16:06:21.601+00:002010-01-03T16:06:21.601+00:00Oldrighty, is that avatar a Doberman (or Doberwoma...<b>Oldrighty</b>, is that avatar a Doberman (or Doberwoman) by any chance?Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-35730312553283372010-01-03T16:03:59.402+00:002010-01-03T16:03:59.402+00:00I don't know what's best for y'all and...I don't know what's best for y'all and so I'm not telling you. But I'm still thinking I'm pro-EU! But I did wake up to the Beeb the other morning, sat up in bed I did, scratching my head, wondering about the wisdom of shutting down Lithuania's nuclear power, making it one more part of the EU more hostage to Czar Putin's whims. I thought that was freaking idiotic. Lithuanians should be left to determine the wisdom of their nuclear energy and not be subject to a 'one size fits all' mentality.Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-50791531675074007302010-01-03T04:16:52.288+00:002010-01-03T04:16:52.288+00:00I've tried to find out more info about it bann...I've tried to find out more info about it banned but haven't succeeded so far.<br /><br />You'll see Mek says Wiki suggests they were given money for the decommissioning but I would have thought a plan for a new provision, made together with the EU, would have been sensible.<br /><br />Then again, perhaps the EU just thought the free market would reign supreme.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-25914043379021449632010-01-03T04:09:04.029+00:002010-01-03T04:09:04.029+00:00Since this plant posed a Europewide problem bequea...Since this plant posed a Europewide problem bequeathed to us by the defeated Soviet common enemy I would have had no problem with the EU using our money to build a replacement facilty in Lithuania in the 5 intervening years. Why was this not done?bannedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02406037760273820029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-2587295336259391532010-01-03T02:20:56.722+00:002010-01-03T02:20:56.722+00:00Your last sentence echoes my thoughts Apogee. The...Your last sentence echoes my thoughts Apogee. The EU has another slave at their beck and call.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-44923235086575346542010-01-03T01:53:58.878+00:002010-01-03T01:53:58.878+00:00Hi SR.
I seem to remember that the reason the Cher...Hi SR.<br />I seem to remember that the reason the Chernobel Plant blew up was not so much the design faults as the management of the plant playing with it like a toy and disconnecting the safety systems; this was pure stupidity of the socialist variety, whatever the quality of the design.<br />Seems the main point of the story was, for whatever reason ,the workers were paid off very quickly, and as the power plant was the only work,the town was built to service the plant,the workers had to leave the district to find work they could do.<br />But this does leave the Lithuanians at the mercy of the EU, probably the reason!<br /><br />D.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56752443668472064472010-01-02T22:15:41.024+00:002010-01-02T22:15:41.024+00:00You flatter me Mek but thank you.
If they don'...You flatter me Mek but thank you.<br /><br />If they don't have to find the decommissioning money that's fine but what I visualise happening is that it will be spent on the high cost of the power they now have to buy.<br /><br />Will be interesting to watch this story develop.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-64676909739698417352010-01-02T21:22:19.859+00:002010-01-02T21:22:19.859+00:00And excellent discussion as always, SR.
There is ...And excellent discussion as always, SR.<br /><br />There is some suggestion (on Wikipedia) that the EU provided several billion euros in decomissioning money. That at least is money that Lithuania does not have to find; the slate is cleared on that account. They can then plan their energy policy forward.MekQuarriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09818669820171475600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-48642174240865074462010-01-02T20:21:49.608+00:002010-01-02T20:21:49.608+00:00No not in the least Mek and I entirely agree the a...No not in the least Mek and I entirely agree the answer lies with the Lithuanian politicians.<br /><br />But where was the help from the EU? I've dug around google and find nothing which says the Lithuanians had any advice from the EU. They're an impoverished country which possibly relied upon the wealthier countries bailing them out. Why not? Most other countries do that and Gordon Brown is so keen to throw money at them.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-72942572316187281622010-01-02T20:21:11.196+00:002010-01-02T20:21:11.196+00:00Most Lithuanians live and work in the UK so are pr...Most Lithuanians live and work in the UK so are probably indifferent to<br />what happens in the old country.<br /><br />Well the ones i know are saying Their country is like living in the middle ages and after being here in a modern country for a few years.<br />Have no intention of ever going back.Nikostratoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06581441869560921339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-35567667759274042412010-01-02T20:18:59.216+00:002010-01-02T20:18:59.216+00:00Bug, see my reply to Keith.Bug, see my reply to Keith.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-3028157766279193852010-01-02T20:18:30.808+00:002010-01-02T20:18:30.808+00:00I'm hanging on Keith.
As I said previously, w...I'm hanging on Keith.<br /><br />As I said previously, why did the EU allow this plant to operate for 5 years after the Lithuanian membership if it was so dangerous?<br /><br />Why didn't the EU insist that firm proposals were on the table for new power supply plants?<br /><br />Doesn't make sense to me to allow someone entry to a 'club' when they possess a seriously dangerous weapon such as this nuclear plant.<br /><br />Don't tell me the EU were being kind of understanding allowing Lithuania the 5 years - they don't operate in that way.<br /><br />They also appear to have done nothing to ensure the Lithuanians have used any monies to ensure power sources were provided on the closure of this plant.<br /><br />Something not quite right here.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56323802506323697632010-01-02T20:14:24.942+00:002010-01-02T20:14:24.942+00:00I would agree we ought to have a comprehensive ret...I would agree we ought to have a comprehensive rethink about the EU QM.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-55875365089242374782010-01-02T20:13:42.136+00:002010-01-02T20:13:42.136+00:00Oh indeed WfW. Why didn't they insist they cl...Oh indeed WfW. Why didn't they insist they closed this plant BEFORE the Lithuanians had membership.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-8524489309939541992010-01-02T20:13:00.429+00:002010-01-02T20:13:00.429+00:00I don't think the Lithuanian politicians thoug...I don't think the Lithuanian politicians thought this through OR, they were too desperate to join the EU and get handouts.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-34685412977803230052010-01-02T19:16:52.328+00:002010-01-02T19:16:52.328+00:00KR has stolen my thunder a little on this (Greek m...KR has stolen my thunder a little on this (Greek mythological irony intended). This piece is a little more grimly presented than your normal well-argued turns. Are you too shy to follow up on your implication that all 2000 will have got on a bus yesterday morning and are already on their way to sell the Big Isssue in City Square?<br />No-one forced Lithuania to join the EU. Whether or not they had at some point a crusading journalist or two would have pointed out the similar dangers with the Ukrainian disaster. We would then be making more strident demands with less 'cards'.<br />I feel confident that these brave power station workers will be given consideration when the replacement comes online in 2013...MekQuarriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09818669820171475600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-18257034108716844772010-01-02T18:49:15.623+00:002010-01-02T18:49:15.623+00:00Tend to agree with Ruffles here. They had enough t...Tend to agree with Ruffles here. They had enough time to build a coal fired plant or, double quick, build a Swedish or French designed nuclear one in the time and if they were smart paid by Bruxelles as part of the accession accord.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-4486155807843899372010-01-02T18:29:04.167+00:002010-01-02T18:29:04.167+00:00Hang on a second, Subrosa. If the shutdown of the ...Hang on a second, Subrosa. If the shutdown of the Ignalina power station was a condition of EU entry - itself subject to democratic approval from Lithuania - the powers that be in Vilnius would have known about this for years and should have made preparations for its workforce after closure. This is not some sudden closure that has caught everyone off guard. One may also wonder why Lithuania has allowed itself to become so overdependent on one solitary fuel source and one with a poor safety record to boot.<br /><br />Further, that the plant utilised the same design as Chernobyl - home to the worst civil nuclear disaster in history and one which still blights areas of the Ukraine and Belarus - is a cause for EU-wide concern. Had the thing exploded everyone would be demanding why the plant was still up and running in the 21st century. Perhaps that's the real benefit to Lithuania's population.Keith Ruffleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02276510754351064796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-576222597203109622010-01-02T17:49:06.518+00:002010-01-02T17:49:06.518+00:00Agreed, seconded.
Don't forget the EU want u...Agreed, seconded. <br /><br />Don't forget the EU want us to shut down a lot of our coal and oil fired power stations, so that they can flog us windmills or French nukes or whatever.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-21949832752274444502010-01-02T17:16:49.079+00:002010-01-02T17:16:49.079+00:00Just another reason we should get out as soon as p...Just another reason we should get out as soon as possible. They make decisions for the benefit of the EU, not the UK (or Lithuania) and the price is often jobs.Quiet_Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575652127079681825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-30580793592093900792010-01-02T17:10:50.061+00:002010-01-02T17:10:50.061+00:00SR,
So Lithuania exchanged one form of slavery fo...SR,<br /><br />So Lithuania exchanged one form of slavery for another.<br /><br />One also has to question the mindset of those that ,dreamed up this 'condition' and those that agreed to it; both members of which groups will not be the ones who suffer, that you can bet on!Witterings from Witneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11349563961787006775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-446873934203530392010-01-02T17:04:29.967+00:002010-01-02T17:04:29.967+00:00They'l probably be forced to import people to ...They'l probably be forced to import people to increase demand. We have.Oldrightiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192587284458430556noreply@blogger.com