tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post4744568801022740000..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Children Aren't At Faultsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-9287636124278357742010-12-20T01:48:34.514+00:002010-12-20T01:48:34.514+00:00The discussion's going on as long as someone w...The discussion's going on as long as someone wants to discuss lazaruszine. :)<br /><br />I'd have to agree with you there. I've one friend who requires dairy free and another gluten free and in supermarkets their choice is more or less non-existent.<br /><br />Fortunately we have a small 'heath' food shop (I hate that title as I think it should just be called speciality or extra-special) who see to most of their needs. Otherwise they would have to travel some distance.<br /><br />Any reason for the vegan diet? You don't have to answer. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-61667870664298597462010-12-20T01:17:11.208+00:002010-12-20T01:17:11.208+00:00I don't know if the discussion's going on ...I don't know if the discussion's going on here, but I thought I'd toss this in too; the illusion of choice is a very thin one. Having taken up a vegan diet recently, supermarkets are NOT the main place that I order food from. And I don't mean weird vegan soya mush, I mean stuff like dairy free, gluten free, etc that a large minority of the populace needs for health reasons!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-32451853625092979922010-12-17T11:19:51.213+00:002010-12-17T11:19:51.213+00:00If you look at the photo on the post Elby you don&...If you look at the photo on the post Elby you don't see a fat child either. That was taken in 1950.<br /><br />No we're not allowed to state the obvious nowadays, in case we offend. What's offensive about saying to someone their child could do with losing a bit of weight or more exercise?<br /><br />Doesn't surprise me in the least. I used to drive past one on the way to work and see people having them for what was obviously breakfast.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-48212698235523178572010-12-17T11:06:08.464+00:002010-12-17T11:06:08.464+00:00In for a pre-op a few weeks back, I got to talking...In for a pre-op a few weeks back, I got to talking health problems (I am fortunate to have had good health all my life; I do look after myself, eat good food, exercise with two very energetic hounds) and noted that when I was young (born 1951), a fat person - never mind an obese person - was a rarity. I suggested that if the obese had to pay for their hospital treatment (if not exempted on med grounds - Thyroid etc.). <br /><br />She said. I'm a not allowed to say this. And said it - "I agree". It is an abdication of personal responsibility; for me, if someone is not prepared to help themselves, then why should anyone else help them? <br /><br />Of course, this problem is not helped when you get the likes of the Guardian and the BBC News, with their monthly news item on "Obesity gene identified". Etc. Obesity gene? Where was it in the 1950s? <br /><br />Wibble wobble... driving past our local MacDonald the other day, the most IMMENSE woman was walking away. With two bags full of Big Macs.Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-25076431193352193322010-12-17T00:29:51.558+00:002010-12-17T00:29:51.558+00:00Jings Jo that's brought back a memory. When I...Jings Jo that's brought back a memory. When I was in my 20s I had a colleague who used to say that. Many thanks for reminding me of her.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36307587698400601242010-12-17T00:19:57.598+00:002010-12-17T00:19:57.598+00:00I'm remembering my own mother Subrosa and one ...I'm remembering my own mother Subrosa and one of her favourite saying if we children were less than enamoured with what was for dinner that day: "You'll eat it before it eats you!" Memories!Jo Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536467440869239587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-19488046241801369422010-12-17T00:01:06.589+00:002010-12-17T00:01:06.589+00:00Edward, it's strange really, but neither my br...Edward, it's strange really, but neither my brother or myself have sweet tooths. Perhaps it's something to do with the fact sweeties were rationed when we were small and also nobody made a fuss about that.<br /><br />There was more argument in our home about macaroni cheese (I hated it and my brother loved it) than any pudding.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-89311693259596924482010-12-16T23:58:47.133+00:002010-12-16T23:58:47.133+00:00Boggart, governments and advertisers don't put...Boggart, governments and advertisers don't put food into children's mouths. Parents do.<br /><br />It's up to the carers of children to teach them what's good and what's not.<br /><br />For generations children have been told not to take sweets from strangers. I defy any parent not to know that. We need the similar information to be given to parents about food which has little nutritional value. Porridge is cheap. Soak it in water the night before and cook it for 3 minutes on the stove in the morning. Not time consuming, quicker than toast.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-22918526244434860702010-12-16T23:53:47.002+00:002010-12-16T23:53:47.002+00:00Lazaruszine, yes indeed. Consumer capitalism is p...Lazaruszine, yes indeed. Consumer capitalism is part of the modern social engineering strategy.<br /><br />I'd agree that certain foods are addictive if eaten over a period of time.<br /><br />What's put on TV at the moment uses mainly reasonably expensive ingredients but good cooking doesn't need them. A half pound of good butchers mince, a couple of onions and a couple of oxo cubes can make a great meal for three.<br /><br />It's always annoyed me when women complain they're too tired to cook when they get in from work. I worked all my life yet, in winter, used to prepare a stew in the slow cooker most week nights before I went to bed. <br /><br />I'd switch it on before leaving in the morning then all I'd have to do was peel some potatoes when I got home. Really easy and saved a lot of argument about who was having what, which is what happens these days. Then it was a sake of take it or leave it.<br /><br />Now I'm asked for the recipes and they're amazed just how simple they were.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-5827258319062045482010-12-16T23:46:08.227+00:002010-12-16T23:46:08.227+00:00Aye QM, but my generation have to take some of the...Aye QM, but my generation have to take some of the blame. We're guilty insofar as we forgot the basic rules of teaching our children survival skills. After all, if there were no fast food outlets how would many manage.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-67397521157150989172010-12-16T23:44:51.910+00:002010-12-16T23:44:51.910+00:00Edward, back in the 50s boys and girls in my schoo...Edward, back in the 50s boys and girls in my school learned to make pastry, custard, cook meat and make gravy. I can't remember our other efforts.<br /><br />I do love your anecdote. How often has that happened to a parent? :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-25239839967090326842010-12-16T23:42:28.481+00:002010-12-16T23:42:28.481+00:00I can't remember any of my pals being fat in t...I can't remember any of my pals being fat in the 50s Dioclese. The junk they give their children, as you say, isn't cheap although it's convenient. That's one of the problems, instant food is thought cheap because it saves parental effort in preparation.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-20939673224042942472010-12-16T23:40:27.817+00:002010-12-16T23:40:27.817+00:00It is difficult to source food from shops other th...It is difficult to source food from shops other than supermarkets Demetrius and in many places nigh impossible. Of course governments in the past 30 years have encouraged supermarkets. Good for social engineering.<br /><br />Fortunately where I am we're a bit thrawn and still many still insist upon buying meat from a butcher rather than something wrapped in polystyrene and clingfilm.<br /><br />Sometimes in supermarkets I look at the 'cheap' options and nutrionally they're loaded with what people don't need. But it can be hard to read the labels and unless people are made aware they should do, they'll continue to buy by price rather than quality.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56476726094855840812010-12-16T20:37:51.909+00:002010-12-16T20:37:51.909+00:00With all respect, Boggartblog, the food industry d...With all respect, Boggartblog, the food industry doesn't stuff us with anything that we do not voluntarily choose to put into our mouths.<br /><br /> People choose that for themselves - for convenience perhaps or perhaps because they find junk tempting. But it is their choice.<br /><br />I used to produce flavourings - but for the animal feed industry, so have a bit of an idea about what tastes and flavours attract. There are turn-ons but animals (and people, I think) generally like the flavours they are accustomed to and that is a matter of choice by parents initially.<br /><br />Some flavours have cross-species attractiveness. When I was starting my business and packing up samples on the kitchen table, our young children really loved the ones we made for baby piglets!<br /><br />But my wife, an excellent cook, was also a no-nonsense Scottish mum so they jolly well ate their good dinners and rarely had sweets - although they really enjoyed them when they got them.<br />These habits seem, in large part, to have persisted.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-6364971724776479622010-12-16T19:57:19.577+00:002010-12-16T19:57:19.577+00:00There are so many places where blame can be laid b...There are so many places where blame can be laid before we get to the kids or the parents SR.<br /><br />The food processing industry that stuff us with empty calories and dodgy chemicals formulated to make pap taste like food, the governments and politicians who talked of family values but made two working parents an economic necessity, the advertising industry that created needs where there were none, the acadermics who rigged their mathematical models to 'prove' that an economy based on perpetual growth through increased consumption was feasible, the education system that imposes an orthodoxy of ... I'm fed up now <br /><http://www.greenteethmm.com/normal-fat-obese.shtmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-34222802762397076692010-12-16T14:33:50.864+00:002010-12-16T14:33:50.864+00:00It's insane, I agree. People have completely ...It's insane, I agree. People have completely lost the concept of self-sufficiency, even so far as expecting food to be cooked for them, nevermind growing it themselves. The problem isn't just the fast food though, it's this consumer-Capitalism that encourages people to buy and buy and buy. Buy this ready meal rather than cook. Don't buy store cupboard foods. Buy meat that goes off fast. Have meat in EVERY meal.<br />It's damaging our children, our environment and our culture, and it's beyond a joke now. As for people being fat, there are some people that are 'fat' naturally, yes, but the truth is a lot of people out there are just addicted to additive filled, chemical crap that they do themselves a disservice eating. I wouldn't say ban it; it's not the government's perogative to interfere like that, but people need to start thinking. Another problem is that making your own food, etc is seem as something quite high class, because popular cookery programs use expensive ingredients, and fast food is geared towards the lower classes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-42968837126644179062010-12-16T13:29:49.916+00:002010-12-16T13:29:49.916+00:00I'm afraid you're guilty of using common s...I'm afraid you're guilty of using common sense and logic here SR.<br />Something that seems to have gone missing in the last 30 or so years. :-)Quiet_Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575652127079681825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-72222355934189563742010-12-16T13:24:48.206+00:002010-12-16T13:24:48.206+00:00The ending of domestic science (i.e. cookery) clas...The ending of domestic science (i.e. cookery) classes for girls on the grounds of sex equality probably has something to do with it. Mind you, it would have been a good idea for boys too but they often went to do woodwork or something like that.<br /><br />I often observe children's "pester power" at work in supermarkets with parents of a certain type. The response can either be indulgence of the child for a quiet life or effing and blinding at them with a possibility of some violence.<br /><br />In middle class homes, I have sometimes been surprised at the nervousness of parents around the feeding of very young children. The children pick this up and learn to exploit it very early.<br /><br />Sometimes the attempted deterrent falls wide of the mark. I was in a farm house kitchen where a toddler in a high chair was making a terrible mess of his dinner. "If you don't stop that" said the farmer's wife "I'll put you to eat outside". A seraphic smile cracked through the mask of dinner. "With the dogs?" the child asked delightedly.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-52800895051959072282010-12-16T12:18:15.768+00:002010-12-16T12:18:15.768+00:00I was a fat little kid and was bullied mercilessly...I was a fat little kid and was bullied mercilessly. Most of the other kids weren't fat.<br /><br />What I don't understand is that if it's mainly kids from 'poor' families that are fat, where do they get the money from to buy all the junk they shovel into their kids?<br /><br />It's not the kids' fault - it's the parents either because they haven't learned to say NO to a burger joint when the kids pester them or because they are just thick and have no idea. But poor? I don't think so. There were no fat kids in Biafra.<br /><br />It's time people stopped blaming everybody else and actually took some responsibility for their offspring.Dioclesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139646438543954337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-54482259498069757492010-12-16T12:18:10.360+00:002010-12-16T12:18:10.360+00:00We buy most of our food from sources other than su...We buy most of our food from sources other than supermarkets but they are now the only place to go for some things. When waiting at the till one of my hobbies is to check out and cost what is in other people's trolleys. In the great majority of cases there is a great deal of what is basically junk and in the foods processed stuff likely to add weight. Despite what the advertisers say all this stuff is not "cheap". The trouble is that this is the norm and few people know how to deal with basics. If they did it would be healthier and they could also save a fortune.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.com