tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post3747826911603185951..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: The Latest Desperate Action from the PMsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74143394799266841622010-02-21T23:14:33.150+00:002010-02-21T23:14:33.150+00:00It was an excellent system Richard. I certainly b...It was an excellent system Richard. I certainly believe it's possible to teach 99% of children a reasonable standard of reading, writing and maths in primary, but when they reach secondary schools should play to the child's strength ie vocational or academic.<br /><br />For me it's far better if buildings are separated for this. In my town the vocational school was closed and the academy extended to provide for the extra pupils. It still doesn't work well 30 years later.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74314500362709052772010-02-21T21:54:11.251+00:002010-02-21T21:54:11.251+00:00Dean, last year I did what I thought was a well re...Dean, last year I did what I thought was a well researched essay on how to improve education in Scotland. It was posted on Scottish Voices which has now been taken down and I've lost it.<br /><br />Our understanding of vocational and academic has gone completely. Part of that is the government's interference with the old apprenticeship scheme.<br /><br />First they brought in YTS (along with these dreadful SVQs), then it moved onto another system, then another.<br /><br />What happened with all these 'systems' was that employers didn't want to be told their apprentice was to be at college x number of days a week, they wanted them training on the job.<br /><br />We have very few apprentices in this country now. All expect a proper wage just for learning. These new universities no longer offer quality courses in the main and turn to the much lower level SVQ system.<br /><br />The whole of education needs a clear out.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-34089479877446968752010-02-21T21:48:22.474+00:002010-02-21T21:48:22.474+00:00Back in the 50s that's the way it was Dubbie, ...Back in the 50s that's the way it was Dubbie, especially in the vocational schools. A few slipped through the net and went to academies but not nearly as many who slip through the net these days.<br /><br />Dubbie, my plumber can't even use a computer or fill in complicated forms - his wife does them for him. Yet he earns far more than I ever have done and he's also a lovely man too. No posing, no flashing of cash, just a lovely person who doesn't even charge call out prices to his long standing customers.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-76587999440374242282010-02-21T21:46:09.163+00:002010-02-21T21:46:09.163+00:00In the late 70s I taught in a school near Hull wit...In the late 70s I taught in a school near Hull with a very mixed intake. There was plenty of technical teaching going on, and it was so arranged that boys of a certain bent could spend the whole week doing motor vehicle maintenance, woodwork and metalwork, with just the legal minimum of English, Maths and RE. Discipline problems were few and far between, because everyone from the most academic to the least was engaged in something that interested them. The good behaviour spread to my English lessons, too - it wasn't just that they were distracted by the hands-on stuff. But then came the philospophy that everything had to be approached academically, and the rot set in. Looking back, it was a damn good system.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743685798068014455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-48231821432319757202010-02-21T21:44:01.661+00:002010-02-21T21:44:01.661+00:00Somewhere recently I heard him say he didn't m...Somewhere recently I heard him say he didn't much like rugby but preferred tennis BS. His eye problem the public will accept no problem. It's his lies they won't.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-70681534221974227492010-02-21T21:33:26.538+00:002010-02-21T21:33:26.538+00:00Dean
Not much time for a full response, but the o...Dean<br /><br />Not much time for a full response, but the one thing that stands out for me is the fact that when I was at school there was no shame or stigma in being "good with you hands"<br /><br />Now you are deemed a failure if you do not have "O" levels in basket weaving or plasticine molding.<br /><br />Technical colleges were where you learned technical skills that could set you up for an apprenticeship. Now they are "universities" that do what? I am not entirely sure.Dubbiesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351210091827242674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68675368325400732392010-02-21T21:09:34.244+00:002010-02-21T21:09:34.244+00:00Dubbieside said something that appealled to me gre...Dubbieside said something that appealled to me greatly:<br /><br />"Maybe we should go back to tailoring the schooling to suit the pupil, not the pupil to suit the school."<br /><br />Does anyone else think this is vital in reforming the education system? What about the reintroduction and wholesale expansion of the Grammar school and technical college system to provide schools targeted to pupils rather than a comprehensive system aiming to have every pupil suit the schools?<br /><br />I would like Dubbieside and Subrosas thoughts on this, especially as they probably know hoe this kind of system functioned back before Wilson and the comprehensives.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-73483010090411923972010-02-21T20:32:54.893+00:002010-02-21T20:32:54.893+00:00"he had gone down on a loose ball and been ki..."he had gone down on a loose ball and been kicked in the head close to his eyes"<br /><br />Even back then he was clearly a most likeable chap, SR. ;-)Barking Spiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00968827142725464915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-70149433888380907902010-02-21T20:21:53.346+00:002010-02-21T20:21:53.346+00:00Subrosa
When I was at school a long time ago, we ...Subrosa<br /><br />When I was at school a long time ago, we had guys who could never pass an exam to save their life, yet give them a lump of wood or some metal and they could make things with their hands.<br /><br />They were the guys who were our brickie, plumbers and joiners etc.<br /><br />Now you do not get taken on for an apprenticeship unless you have passed some exams, so a lot of the people who were good with their hands are "written off" before they even start.<br /><br />Maybe we should go back to tailoring the schooling to suit the pupil, not the pupil to suit the school.Dubbiesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351210091827242674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-64409054785596247662010-02-21T19:46:07.923+00:002010-02-21T19:46:07.923+00:00Dean, I'd like to see the return of academic a...Dean, I'd like to see the return of academic and vocational schools, along the lines of the Germans, Swiss etc. Trying to teach every subject to every ability in one building has always been nonsense but the Righteous decided everyone had to be the same.<br /><br />Trouble is everyone isn't, but so many believed the hype that we'd all be the brightest and the best.<br /><br />Years ago I fought like mad to keep vocational schools, but sadly I lost. I also lost in the fight to introduce NVQs or SVQs because I knew how they would reduce the quality of vocational further education compared with City and Guilds and the RSA etc. Too many Righteous again wanted everyone to have a 'certificate', most of which aren't worth the paper they're written on now.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56683439722137339612010-02-21T19:30:53.446+00:002010-02-21T19:30:53.446+00:00Subrosa,
Absolutely agree that it is. The educati...Subrosa,<br /><br />Absolutely agree that it is. The educational establishment, from Teaching Unions to those in political office needs radical and wholesale review and reform.<br /><br />For a start, I'd like to see more powers devolved to schools, rather than anm ever-centralising centre in either Edinburgh or London..but then I'm a young ambitious localist when it comes to policy delivery!Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-51981855001420141042010-02-21T18:50:52.600+00:002010-02-21T18:50:52.600+00:00Dean, don't you think that's a 'spin o...Dean, don't you think that's a 'spin off' from the dumbing down of our education system for the past couple of generations?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-50271905504791024232010-02-21T18:31:23.036+00:002010-02-21T18:31:23.036+00:00I can't pity him now Richard. He's way pa...I can't pity him now Richard. He's way past that emotion from me.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-29469931920655660752010-02-21T18:30:11.344+00:002010-02-21T18:30:11.344+00:00Perhaps slightly too profound to describe Brown Ri...Perhaps slightly too profound to describe Brown Richard. I would just say he has mental issues.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68508319576132656792010-02-21T18:28:53.977+00:002010-02-21T18:28:53.977+00:00Hi Bunni, I knew you meant BS so it was ok.:)
Mor...Hi Bunni, I knew you meant BS so it was ok.:)<br /><br />More revelations. Have a look at the BBC.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-43137952982418057262010-02-21T15:17:58.783+00:002010-02-21T15:17:58.783+00:00The worst thing Subrosa is that this sorry, pathet...The worst thing Subrosa is that this sorry, pathetic sight is having a positive impact with the electorate. <br /><br />Is it really the case that we are all out of touch, and the average voter actually does want the PM and No.10 to be some kind of high emotions Eastenders soap opera?<br /><br />Gods, I become more dispondent with this country and the state of politics day by day. I can sympathise with the apathetic, I am rapidly approaching it myself.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-14725010690939403952010-02-21T15:01:20.477+00:002010-02-21T15:01:20.477+00:00... cont after accidental 'send' ...
Desp...... cont after accidental 'send' ...<br /><br />Despite all his wickedness, by the end of the play you feel sorry for Macbeth (well, I do). It's getting the same with GB. I've started to pity him. Won't someone get a revolver and do the decent thing?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743685798068014455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-28238431160518204032010-02-21T14:57:52.308+00:002010-02-21T14:57:52.308+00:00This reminds me of just one thing:
"They hav...This reminds me of just one thing:<br /><br />"They have tied me to a stake; I cannot fly,<br />But bear-like I must fight the course. What's he<br />That was not born of woman? Such a one<br />Am I to fear, or none."Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743685798068014455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74218304404648892372010-02-21T14:29:53.323+00:002010-02-21T14:29:53.323+00:00My typo's, it's early out here!
Barking Sp...My typo's, it's early out here!<br />Barking Spider's Blog,<br />and brown is Exposed!Amusing Bunnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385840951446381247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-14424384761561568152010-02-21T14:28:37.057+00:002010-02-21T14:28:37.057+00:00Hi Subrosa, I always knew Brown looked deranged, ...Hi Subrosa, I always knew Brown looked deranged, but the latest revelations about him are simply shocking. They show he is very dangerous, and also a liar. Barking just wrote more about all his criminal incidents, it's very detailed and interesting.<br /><br />He is desperate now, that his true behavior is being exposes. "I did not hit anyone" even worse than "I did not have sex with that Woman" (bill clinton). All these lefties are liars, some are just worse than others.Amusing Bunnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385840951446381247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-83973710867094960232010-02-21T14:11:02.293+00:002010-02-21T14:11:02.293+00:00Thank you for that M. I haven't seen televisi...Thank you for that M. I haven't seen television as yet today. Usually do my best to defer it as long as possible.<br /><br />No surprises there then that Brown chose to divert attention from the truth.<br /><br />A seriously flawed man indeed.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36635916865927220722010-02-21T13:59:09.500+00:002010-02-21T13:59:09.500+00:00Andrew Rawnsley has been on SKY News this morning ...Andrew Rawnsley has been on SKY News this morning stating that he did not claim in his book that Brown ever hit anyone so why is Brown stating in the Independent that he didn't hit anyone unless he is desperately trying to muddy the waters?<br /><br />The fact that Brown is not threatening to take legal action against Rawnsley and the Observer is all the proof we need that the claims made by Rawnsley about Brown are true.<br /><br />Brown has been now been conclusively exposed as an extremely disturbed individual whose psychological flaws make him unfit to be a leader and manager of the UK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-73189463086869859892010-02-21T13:57:30.068+00:002010-02-21T13:57:30.068+00:00It was ghastly Alex and not behaviour I expect fro...It was ghastly Alex and not behaviour I expect from a senior politician.<br /><br />Is he going to pop up on TV every time someone criticises his temperament?subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59942257163198626712010-02-21T13:56:14.769+00:002010-02-21T13:56:14.769+00:00Thanks for that Strathturret. Somewhere I read an...Thanks for that Strathturret. Somewhere I read another article which said the problem was already there but it goes to show there is always two sides to a story.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-85041322796264963602010-02-21T13:47:52.980+00:002010-02-21T13:47:52.980+00:00Brown would do anything to get elected.
You'r...Brown would do anything to get elected.<br /><br />You're right, it's unedifying.Alex Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06577153712026023661noreply@blogger.com