tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post3373985549812604977..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Let's Hope Climate Change is Breezysubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31304781879336384932010-01-11T17:59:16.160+00:002010-01-11T17:59:16.160+00:00By balance I was preferring to renewables Spartan....By balance I was preferring to renewables Spartan. We need a mixture and a balanced mixture to get the right results.<br /><br />It'll take a few generations to get a reasonable mix I think, one which gives the best benefit to all, but it's worthwhile.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-63966376212969108142010-01-11T17:22:54.907+00:002010-01-11T17:22:54.907+00:00Depends what you mean by balance ... do you mean t...Depends what you mean by balance ... do you mean trying to balance? Continent shelves moving, ice ages etc etc is not balance as such but a constantly changing enviroment.<br /><br />Speaking of ice ages, the last one began about 18,000 years ago and ended approx 10,000 years ago. Don't think humans had much to do with the warming of the planet then. ;-)Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-28009586049846175862010-01-11T14:50:51.116+00:002010-01-11T14:50:51.116+00:00Nature has the best balance of all Spartan.Nature has the best balance of all Spartan.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-27391839924916181052010-01-11T14:50:07.603+00:002010-01-11T14:50:07.603+00:00But what percentage of climate change is man made ...But what percentage of climate change is man made Strathturret?<br /><br />I don't think anyone's arguing the climate is changing - that's a natural occurrence. It's the man made % which many question.<br /><br />Oh I read somewhere big business is being funded for looking into how CH4 can be controlled in animals. I thought it a joke at first but it's not.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-42271332522792965032010-01-11T14:06:21.248+00:002010-01-11T14:06:21.248+00:00The world was in balance? :-)
The world has nev...The world was in balance? :-)<br /><br />The world has never been in balance ... it's been constantly changing in it's 4.5 billion year existance.Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-12736894316059287922010-01-11T10:43:29.579+00:002010-01-11T10:43:29.579+00:00As Ive said before its not my field. I would argu...As Ive said before its not my field. I would argue as follows.<br /><br />The world was in balance: we breathed out CO2 and plants took it in. All happy.<br /><br />Then we found fossil fuels and started to burn them. Then we cut down the rainforest which absorbed lots of CO2. So we've tilted the CO2 in the atmosphere from 0.03 to 0.04%.<br /><br />The green house gas phenomenum whereby atmospheric gasses such as CO2, CH4 and H20 increases temps was postulated in 1800s.<br /><br />Now even if you do not accept that this causes GW there are some pretty good reasons for acting.<br /><br />1. Energy security. Better to rely on home produced renewables than imported oil/gas/Uranium.<br /><br />2. Oil/gas will eventually run out as we're using it faster than its being produced naturally.<br /><br />3. The long term trend for oil prices is upwards so oil is going to get more expensive.<br /><br />So frankly whether you belive in GW or not, the remedies proposed to counter it make good sense to me. Factor in that the scientists say they're 90% sure about man made GW then really we have no choice.Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-17376145509652254962010-01-11T01:09:51.304+00:002010-01-11T01:09:51.304+00:00lt's somewhat laughable to only quote the oil ...lt's somewhat laughable to only quote the oil industry as funding the opposing research on AGW given the vast amount of funding available to AGW research.Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-12057096251178848682010-01-11T00:27:18.905+00:002010-01-11T00:27:18.905+00:00Nothing surprises me about Bush Strathturret.
S...Nothing surprises me about Bush Strathturret. <br /><br />Seriously, I know you've been very patient with me, but I just can't believe global warming in totally man made. I've read so much about it now the mind boggles, but I still am not convinced.<br /><br />Don't get me going on the CO2 scam either!subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31796655508965503922010-01-10T23:05:13.980+00:002010-01-10T23:05:13.980+00:00From my knowledge of academic scientists both as a...From my knowledge of academic scientists both as a research student and from friends and relatives I don't buy all the conspiracy stuff from global warming deniers.<br /><br />The science behing global warming is old hat and there is a settled view that it is probable that man is responsible. It is not proven in being 99,99% certain.<br /><br />Politicians need to take best advice.<br /><br />Following the money takes me to the oil industry who have a vested interest in rubbishing global warming. Does it surprise you that Bush denied global warming during his presidency. I think even he sees the light now.Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77206698135179417912010-01-10T17:47:21.132+00:002010-01-10T17:47:21.132+00:00Strath
I have never looked at a few graphs and th...Strath<br /><br />I have never looked at a few graphs and then rubbished someone's life's work either, I wonder why you said that to me?<br /><br />I know when I smell stinking fish and the AGW fish is well rotting from the head down. Perhaps you have lost your sense of smell or scientific scepticism? <br /><br />Nothing is settled in science despite what Al Gore and, now apparently Gordon Brown, say. I am scientific sceptic not a flat earther as Brown tries to smear all who challenge what he knows to be the truth.<br /><br />If we had listened to the Royal Society and other august bodies, Darwin would be wrong and much of our progress in medicine would have been stillborn. The accepted wisdom and the leather chaired bottomed ones who pontificate around that are the enemy.<br /><br />Have you ever read Bjorn Lomborg of the Skeptical Environmentalist fame? I have and have lost the book and it was signed by him.<br /><br />In it you can read a devastating exposé of the tricks and ruses used by renowned and named scientists to spin or misrepresent the results of their environmental researches. He lists a whole host of World renowned environental researchers and denounces their trickery. As far as I know he has never been sued for libel or slander. He was of course vilified, by other scientists, especially Danish ones and his homosexuality was repeatedly used to smear him. Loborg is not a scientist but a statistician and he used his mathematical skills with devastating logic. In fact I believe there were moves to have him removed from the Danish Academy of Sciences but I lost contact with that aspect of his life when I left Denmark. He was very personna non grata in Learned Circles but since his positions have been effectively subsequently supported by many others without the clique, he is now listened to more often.<br /><br />Your position is that responsible politicians must accept the best scientific advice they are given. In days gone by that would have been my position for, I too had great faith in scientific objectivity. I have no longer. My feeling is that because of the politicisation of science, (cf the list of scientific scares we are continually fed) it is skewed to produce the results that politics and politicians want. <br /><br />There is even a scientific philosophy to support this non objective approach, that science should exist to support sociological philosophy, I think. There is always bound to be someone attacking the objectivity of science. Just think what sort of wiggle room that gives statist politicians never mind dictators.<br /><br />Just follow the money, especially if scientists need the funds to live. They need to tick the boxes too, just like the Police, the Civil Service, the Education system, University and School. <br /><br />It is all now politicised.<br /><br /><br />Just follow the money.<br /><br />Scientists have to eat too.<br /><br />Know that and you are halfway there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-64309319743810355992010-01-10T16:27:51.264+00:002010-01-10T16:27:51.264+00:00Bugger
I've forgotten most of my chemistry. ...Bugger<br /><br />I've forgotten most of my chemistry. My point on global warming was I may have a PhD in chemistry but lack the detailed knowledge to argue with guys who have spent years studying climate change.<br /><br />I dont have intellect/arrogance/stupidity to look at a few graphs and rubbish someone's lifes work.<br /><br />If Royal Society is saying Global Warming is a serious problem then it is. That is the approach taken by all responsible politicians who must take the best advice they are given whether its about climate change, flu pandemics or whatever. We'd crucify a politician who said damn the specialist advice I know best.Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-63143063771739877162010-01-10T16:01:54.093+00:002010-01-10T16:01:54.093+00:00So Bug, you're saying English is selling Scotl...So Bug, you're saying English is selling Scotland's electricity to France and not giving us a share of the gains? Tut tut.<br /><br />No I haven't seen figures about that either. I note that when nuclear are asked for decommissioning costs they always sidestep the question. It's rather like Donaldson and his reply to the cost of the swine flu scare.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-10380390810409306592010-01-10T13:21:33.086+00:002010-01-10T13:21:33.086+00:00Coming in late to this discussion like the coo'...Coming in late to this discussion like the coo's tail I want to ake two points.<br /><br />We appear not to be importing electricity from France, but the other way round.<br /><br />http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/why.html<br /><br />According to the interconnector reading about 2.2 GWatts going to France.<br /><br /><br />Secondly, I have never seen a proper calculation on the cost of generation of electricity by nuclear plants which absorbs the cost of the decommissioning of the plant. <br /><br />So, for me generation costs based on nuclear plants are totally hypothetical and grossy underestimated.<br /><br />Strathturret, I though you had a PhD in Chemistry. Would that not make you a trained scientist and thus just a wee dod scientific?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-57469984255663390052010-01-10T12:14:35.786+00:002010-01-10T12:14:35.786+00:00Yes Spartan. Does it scare you that Scotland would...Yes Spartan. Does it scare you that Scotland would consider being self sufficient in energy? We already produce far too much electricity for our own needs and the excess goes to England. Only we pay a much higher cost this end for our power because the power companies insist the Scots pay the cost of the Grid connection.<br /><br />We also have the gas and oil.<br /><br />Without sounding trite, you keep your nuclear, give us independence and we'll get on with ensuring our country has enough oil, gas and electricity without troubling you.<br /><br />I can see Westminster struggling enough worrying about no salt for the snowy roads of England. They could reduce their stress level with a sweep of the pen!subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-43056944069499463992010-01-10T12:04:14.539+00:002010-01-10T12:04:14.539+00:00Self-sufficient? Where will your base power come f...Self-sufficient? Where will your base power come from in the future assuming wind farms produce 20%? That still leaves 80%. l believe Scotland has 2 remaining operational nuclear plants operating until 2015 and 2023. Both are owned by Scottish Nuclear which is now part of British Energy, which is owned by EDF (French)<br /><br />ln the meantime the NIF will begin tests this year ... interesting times.Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-54925285143264598802010-01-10T01:17:33.415+00:002010-01-10T01:17:33.415+00:00None are planned for Scotland though Spartan. I t...None are planned for Scotland though Spartan. I think the French are building yours. We're trying to be self-sufficient here.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66784636649916053232010-01-10T01:15:45.975+00:002010-01-10T01:15:45.975+00:0010 nuclear plants are planned, first one to be run...10 nuclear plants are planned, first one to be running by 2017.Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-19191672868149999582010-01-10T01:15:02.113+00:002010-01-10T01:15:02.113+00:00Isn't England paying for the French to build a...Isn't England paying for the French to build and run their new nuclear stations? Perhaps I'm wrong.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-91411519543686158832010-01-10T01:09:55.165+00:002010-01-10T01:09:55.165+00:00But we're not going nuclear are we. The econo...But we're not going nuclear are we. The economics of nuclear are hugely uncertain. Will anyone build a plant without a government guarantee to pick up excess cost? Are they ever built on time? And our two are often down for maintenance so they're not too reliable.<br /><br />The Scottish Governments policy seems to be logical and forward thinking to me. Being non-nuclear gives us a marketing advantage to sell everything as clean and green from whisky to smoked salmon. We have a huge land area to population ratio so we can use natures resources (wind, tidal, hydro) to generate our power and become experts in new technology which we can sell to others. Like the Danish have successully done.<br /><br />The money to be made out of nuclear will be made by the French who have the expertise. We don't.Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-511779834757328852010-01-10T01:05:18.962+00:002010-01-10T01:05:18.962+00:00Can't agree with 100% nuclear Spartan. I'...Can't agree with 100% nuclear Spartan. I'd like to see far more use of our coastlines before I'd consider it. We also supply electricity to England from here.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-72033508974410399962010-01-10T01:03:54.752+00:002010-01-10T01:03:54.752+00:00Storage is an interesting factor Apogee and one I ...Storage is an interesting factor Apogee and one I was reading about earlier this week after listening to the talk on radio.<br /><br />We're well behind other countries on this as far as I can see.<br /><br />I'd prefer mixed myself because I've never been one of putting all your eggs into one basket.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-27203280577130136632010-01-10T01:00:29.262+00:002010-01-10T01:00:29.262+00:00You've persuaded me to look further into the s...You've persuaded me to look further into the subject Strathturret. I'll admit if my opinion changes. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68641552794589416102010-01-10T00:59:14.863+00:002010-01-10T00:59:14.863+00:00l really don't see Denmark 20 years ahead. As ...l really don't see Denmark 20 years ahead. As an engineer l see them going backwards. The country that is ahead of us is France ... they are completely nuclear and they supply us with electricity. The UK is way behind on nuclear and only now have we decided to build them. This should've been done decades ago.<br /><br />Of all the engineers l know, and l know quite a few, none of them believe in wind turbines. The money spent on them should be put into the nuclear program .... and guess what? ... wind turbines become irrelevant even if they could produce 20% (which l doubt).Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-61673808601725249492010-01-10T00:42:45.937+00:002010-01-10T00:42:45.937+00:00Hi SR
An interesting conversation.For what it'...Hi SR<br />An interesting conversation.For what it's worth,no generator runs at maximum capacity, hydro systems are often used as backup capacity. The amount generated depends entirely on the load, which is continuously variable.Maintenance is only a problem if cutting costs is the main priority and proper planning is not carried out.There are plenty of examples of maintenance planned round the weather. <br />The problem of power generation is the "always on" idea in huge quantity.<br /> Wind power has been used on farms for many decades and with many versions,usually with a diesel back up for high capacity requirements, some times including a water driven generator of some sort but always with a battery to store excess energy when available.<br />Look at the load in the average house. A lot of the time it is small, the big load is electric cooking and washing, but not for a a large part of the day. Point is that the grid is trying to provide enough power for a varying load in real time, the generating efficiency is not good if you can't store power.So with many types of generator, some sort of balance can be struck.The system of mixed generators will work,even if not perfectly, but the power will be there.<br /><br />D.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-21999640424802745452010-01-10T00:36:06.218+00:002010-01-10T00:36:06.218+00:00Denmark seems to be 20 years ahead of us. Then th...Denmark seems to be 20 years ahead of us. Then they're independent. They produce 20% of electricity from wind farms many off shore. They also have 20,000 jobs supported by being leaders in this technology. They are also strongly anti-nuclear.Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.com