tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post3276162747551917392..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Edinburgh Trams Increase Scotland's Water Chargessubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-47059628571848118202009-11-22T00:22:46.940+00:002009-11-22T00:22:46.940+00:00I'm not like Spook tris, I can't do fancy ...I'm not like Spook tris, I can't do fancy things like trace visitors. Maybe he'll give me a hand with it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68210561033361033872009-11-22T00:09:05.318+00:002009-11-22T00:09:05.318+00:00I wasn't 100% sure how it came about Subrosa. ...I wasn't 100% sure how it came about Subrosa. It was the Herald and the Scotsman then?<br /><br />I think that the Scotsman is about as low as you get newspaper-wise short of the Daily Sport maybe, but I am surprised that the Herald is up to that sort of thing.<br /><br />I see that Spook has noted a visit from the Johnson Press on his blog. Interesting.<br /><br />As Jones used to say in Dad's Army: 'they don't like it up them'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-33561097982325943062009-11-21T23:27:27.687+00:002009-11-21T23:27:27.687+00:00I think you're right about Heseltine tris.
...I think you're right about Heseltine tris. <br /><br />I'm surprised the Herald got involved with Wardog. Really thought they would know the bloggers code.<br /><br />As for the Scotsman it doesn't surprise me in the least. Full of half truths at best.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-14512669230178896732009-11-21T23:12:38.243+00:002009-11-21T23:12:38.243+00:00I suppose he could have Subrosa. My memory of the ...I suppose he could have Subrosa. My memory of the time is a bit blurred, but I think that quite a bit of money had been spent on the Dome by the time that Blair got in. If I'm not mistaken it was the Deputy Prime Minister, Michael Heseltine who had been in charge and he was incredibly enthusiastic about the future of the building. I think he maybe did it because he wanted Blair to take the comback when it all went horribly wrong....<br /><br />Yeah, LOL, it's gonna be fun watching the Hootsman deal with Tory unionist propaganda. Mind you, it'll probably go bust soon.<br /><br />If you're reading this Wardog, we miss you mate!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-49601431333325652412009-11-21T13:49:50.744+00:002009-11-21T13:49:50.744+00:00Hi Tris. Didn't Blair get the opportunity not...Hi Tris. Didn't Blair get the opportunity not to go ahead with the Dome because by that time so many were against it? Bit like the trams really in a way.<br /><br />Yes I'm angry about what's happened to Wardog. It shows these people are prepared to destroy a person's whole live just for the sake of keeping favour with the labour party.<br /><br />Just for that I do hope the tories get in because it'll take some time for the Scottish press to adjust to their unionist press releases.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-19838441029333716622009-11-21T13:33:29.214+00:002009-11-21T13:33:29.214+00:00The train saga is horrific, and of course, those w...The train saga is horrific, and of course, those who don't know the background will blame the SNP government. We need to ensure that the real culprits are always in the headlines, as your post does Subrosa.<br /><br />I really regret Wardog's departure. His blog was educated, intelligent and amusing. It was also accurate, which of course doesn't necessarily suit some people. I see that it is now totally unobtainable, removed completely. <br /><br />As for the Dome, I think, to be fair to Labour, that it was started under the Tories, Mr Heseltine was in charge, and, by the time the Labour government came in in 1997 it was already well underway and had cost a huge amount of money. So all of the blame for its shortcomings cannot be laid at the door of Blair.<br /><br />I suspect that to some extent, the Olympics are Labour's revenge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-17576174072378089442009-11-21T02:34:09.976+00:002009-11-21T02:34:09.976+00:00Andrew forgive me if I've upset Londoners with...Andrew forgive me if I've upset Londoners with my remark. From up here it seemed that we were constantly being told how much the Dome would benefit us - from all political and other bodies.<br /><br />We are now in the same position with these trams. Few in Edinburgh want them except those with business interests and the construction of the rails has cost so much to so many.<br /><br />The unionists here have to take the responsibility.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-76000085790764959932009-11-21T02:20:29.502+00:002009-11-21T02:20:29.502+00:00Subrosa, it wasn't all Londoners who wanted th...Subrosa, it wasn't all Londoners who wanted the Dome paid for in the way it was nor even wanted it full stop.<br /><br />That is one project Labour has to take the full responsibilty for, they don't understand how to fund projects properly.Andrew Reeveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693106687465032781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-69001369623299831482009-11-21T01:14:21.743+00:002009-11-21T01:14:21.743+00:00And Mandy's and Prescott's wasn't it b...And Mandy's and Prescott's wasn't it banned? Mind you I've heard it's super as a venue now it's O2. Some Londoner friends told me (yes I do have some lol).subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-34308683888319222132009-11-21T01:09:49.899+00:002009-11-21T01:09:49.899+00:00SR, please don't blame Londoners for Blairs fa...SR, please don't blame Londoners for Blairs failed vanity project, the London Dome.bannedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02406037760273820029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-62659077979797589982009-11-21T00:52:53.399+00:002009-11-21T00:52:53.399+00:00Ah Jeanne, I did let you know on another thread ea...Ah Jeanne, I did let you know on another thread earlier. Yes it's disgraceful. I'm sure things will get nastier but I don't have a family to worry about.<br /><br />I'm not a member of the SNP Jeanne but I'm a supporter of independence. Anyone who wishes the best for Scotland is a target right enough.<br /><br />No I don't doubt it for a second.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-53344942580013256842009-11-21T00:40:20.721+00:002009-11-21T00:40:20.721+00:00Off topic again. Sorry, subrosa.
I want to point...Off topic again. Sorry, subrosa. <br /><br />I want to point out, as I know you're aware, that Wardog has just been silenced through threats and intimidation. One can't blame him. He has a family to think of.<br /><br />But remember--they are NOT going to let you go easily. Expect dirty tricks and things to get even nastier.<br /><br />You do realize that SNP members have long been on MI5 files. I doubt that has changed. <br /><br />Nationalists have dangerous enemies. Don't doubt that for even a second.J. R. Tomlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01109874615059334200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-16427274125001315652009-11-21T00:33:43.288+00:002009-11-21T00:33:43.288+00:00OK Dram I will, but you're spoiling my fun you...OK Dram I will, but you're spoiling my fun you know! Aye I remember Begg and his stupidity and the air time he received to push his silly idea. He never seemed to be off the TV for months.<br /><br />It's so sad seeing Edinburgh as it is. What a complete mess and there's a long time to go yet. My sympathies.<br /><br />But the project won't get another haggis out of John Swinney. He's made that perfectly clear and I'm sure he'll stick to it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-22973871865676600002009-11-21T00:29:44.606+00:002009-11-21T00:29:44.606+00:00Awww please SR keep us burghers out of it! This is...Awww please SR keep us burghers out of it! This is the kind of guilt association I've been chuntering on about in other blogs and the press. I don't know one city native that wanted this. This woolly, gung ho, rubbish stems back to when "Professor" Begg (labour) and Councillors Darling et al (labour), were telling us that Princes Street should be turned into a bike and pedestrian only zone. Interestingly Begg soon disappeared from the Radar when he went south to sort out England's transport problems (and Darling did little with his remit in transport either). I can only say the the the Luftwaffe would have been delighted if they could have caused as much damage to the toon as this. Thank you Lab/Lib Dem and Con for turning my beloved adopted city into a dump! <br /><br />PS The SNP were right, that dosh could have been spent on other capital projects and who knows, there may have been enough left for Garl.Dramfinedayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15317798317549135378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-32582311289056242832009-11-21T00:23:27.713+00:002009-11-21T00:23:27.713+00:00Thankfully too much is documented about the SNP...Thankfully too much is documented about the SNP's opposition to this Doug. You don't have to google for long to find it either. Even I did!<br /><br />Aye, once they're stuck they're stuck. I remember that in Dundee, they just had to sit there until another came along and shoved it back down the line or up it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36215240838044890932009-11-21T00:21:29.885+00:002009-11-21T00:21:29.885+00:00Oh I can well imagine polaris. I remember when we...Oh I can well imagine polaris. I remember when we had trams in Dundee and the problems with traffic then and that's 50 years ago.<br /><br />The one woman who was pro them was a Londoner who lived in Edinburgh and had never owned a car.<br /><br />I remember when all this started back in early 2000s, one woman writing somewhere that Barcelona had trams and she wanted her home city to be modern like Barcelona. My thought was if that was the reasoning behind Edinburgers desire for them then it was little wonder the SNP said no.<br /><br />My sympathies, I'd hate to drive there dodging the things and getting my heels stuck in the lines when I try to cross the road.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-87101465464073144472009-11-20T23:44:49.296+00:002009-11-20T23:44:49.296+00:00As far as I can make out the LibLabCons voted to l...As far as I can make out the LibLabCons voted to lay a single light railway line through Edinburgh, a city with an excellent bus system, simply as a spiteful welcome gift for the new SNP Government's budget.<br /><br />As polaris points out, if there is a blockage on the line, a fire, an accident, pipeworks, roadworks, anything, unlike a bus a tram can't be re-routed round the obstruction.<br /><br />However as the tram fiasco continues I will bet that, fido, the unionists' loyal media in Scotland, will try and lay the blame at the door of the SNP.DougtheDughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02952281599715356995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-13122658913375972922009-11-20T23:22:40.757+00:002009-11-20T23:22:40.757+00:00There is lots more 'fun' to come on the Tr...There is lots more 'fun' to come on the Tram project such as overhead line mounting on private properties - the cost guestimates will look like random number generation by the end of this political vanity project.<br /><br />I, resident in Edinburgh, will pay the price as well - I won't use them and will spend the rest of my car-driving life dodging vehicles that can't be rerouted or manoeuvered and who have priority on already busy streets.<br /><br />TIE, STAR, the SNPs opponents and ECC have created a legacy that will punish the residents of the capital for generations...Tridenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10283513703332082614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-51452478854860039422009-11-20T22:42:14.421+00:002009-11-20T22:42:14.421+00:00Exactly Andrew. Trams in Edinburgh are going to ca...Exactly Andrew. Trams in Edinburgh are going to cause so many problems. It'll be fun to hear the moans of those who want them once they're up and running.<br /><br />Fun if it didn't cost me anything.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-38843303530271749802009-11-20T22:36:21.469+00:002009-11-20T22:36:21.469+00:00It wasn't just Edinburgh Labour, Tory and Lib/...It wasn't just Edinburgh Labour, Tory and Lib/Dem MSPs who voted for trams, it was the others from all over Scotland anxious to show the SNP Government it could be defeated.<br />Let these same MSPs explain to their constituents why they are paying for a useless tram linein Edinburgh.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15350267503307455359noreply@blogger.com