tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post2255831662923292262..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: Scotland The Brave ... Or Brave New Scotland? Guest Postsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-16953598918489635332013-05-21T00:48:52.986+01:002013-05-21T00:48:52.986+01:00Thanks for commenting Hailey. Sheila will apprecia...Thanks for commenting Hailey. Sheila will appreciate it too.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-86298232601065558762013-05-20T17:56:43.168+01:002013-05-20T17:56:43.168+01:00All the more reason we are experiencing such an in...All the more reason we are experiencing such an increased demand for <a href="http://www.crdcorp.net/water-detection.php" rel="nofollow">leak detection</a>. Interesting post, thanks for sharing. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08225320777528229821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-2579008180557372272013-05-11T23:38:39.674+01:002013-05-11T23:38:39.674+01:00Forgot to thank Subrosa for "allowing a varie...Forgot to thank Subrosa for "allowing a variety of opinions". Forums such as this are becoming increasingly valuable.<br /><br />And yes, eugenics are intrinsic to all this as the de facto parenting licences in Lanarkshire illustrate. <br /><br />Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-30658208783763151042013-05-11T23:05:45.409+01:002013-05-11T23:05:45.409+01:00Thank you Millie for illustrating how Girfec is ha...Thank you Millie for illustrating how Girfec is harming real families even before it has statutory basis. This can only get worse...<br /><br />I am encouraged that there may be mileage in a legal challenge. <br /><br />Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-78658877456221293322013-05-11T22:47:10.456+01:002013-05-11T22:47:10.456+01:00As we hurtle towards global totalitarianism, I bec...As we hurtle towards global totalitarianism, I become increasingly ashamed of the leading role Scotland is playing.<br /><br />I'm only "picking" on the SNP because they're "in power". The last lot of "democratically" elected parasitic puppets were just as bad.<br /><br />What kind of democracy do we have when the MSM and our elected members keep us distracted, chattering and arguing about safe topics while the real agendas are progressed behind the scenes unhindered by the pantomime that is party, and "independence" politcs? <br /><br />Girfec is only a part of the nightmarish new system of surveillance, monitoring and control, but a very important one.<br /><br />Scotland is also ahead of the game when it comes to other implementing other related global policies eg putting into policy the Stiglitz Report (which ties in with Agenda 21) and the new system of government needed to support this (apologies for the old link):<br /><br />http://subrosa-blonde.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/tales-from-small-country-yes-first.html<br /><br />The mountain of joined-up "wellbeing" information harvested by Girfec provides only a wee part of the data required...<br /><br />Thanks for the comments and to those who have signed the petition. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br />Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66157379548733892502013-05-11T22:37:53.210+01:002013-05-11T22:37:53.210+01:00Thank you Millie for your contribution. I'm s...Thank you Millie for your contribution. I'm sure Sheila will respond when she's able.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-58588058344289801302013-05-11T00:12:29.644+01:002013-05-11T00:12:29.644+01:00I do not believe the analogy is too extreme in the...I do not believe the analogy is too extreme in the face of such an unprecedented extreme threat to all children and families in Scotland. GIRFEC is already being implemented in practice without statutory basis, to the detriment of law abiding families who do not wish their children's lives to be scrutinised and dissected by state snoopers.<br /><br />Recent subject access requests made by law abiding parents who have been doorstepped by uninvited Nosy Parkers have returned records which include damning value judgments on lawful parenting choices which betray deep rooted prejudices and, in many cases, complete ignorance of the law. <br /><br />The line about ensuring a child has an 'advocate' to navigate services (who cannot be the parent, remember!) which is being touted <br />relentlessly by the govt and its children's charity cheerleaders (who all have a financial vested interest) is designed to mislead parents into believing that a Named Person is simply a point of contact when in reality there will be NO OPT OUT FROM THIS DE FACTO COMPULSORY SERVICE (with apologies for shouting). <br /><br />Furthermore, no express informed consent will be required to gather and share every piece of information (from total trivia to highly sensitive personal data) about every child and parent as well as associated adults (not just those who have indicated they need or want to access services or facilities and are, for various reasons, not able or competent to do so directly). All this with a view to making and escalating 'interventions' according to 'wellbeing indicators', which are defined not by the parent but by the state, and which fall well below the established threshold for child protection inquiries when consent can lawfully and uncontentiously overriden. <br /><br />Such measures represent a radical departure from the principles enshrined in the Data Protection Act, the Children (Scotland) Act and the ECHR, which means that certain aspects of the proposed legislation are beyond the competence of the Scottish Parliament and therefore open to legal challenge.<br /><br />The fact that the Scottish Government (whose Ministers actively opposed ID cards and might have been assumed by voters to be similarly opposed to a national identity register for children and, by association, most adults) has <br />seen fit to foist this EU driven agenda on its citizens is bound to inform the future voting intentions of those of us who value civil liberties while also fully supporting a robust system for the protection of *vulnerable* children. This Bill certainly fails to reassure me on either count.<br /><br />I congratulate Subrosa on opening up this debate on her blog, a debate the mainstream media have been at pains to swerve (with the exception of some excellent analysis by Kenneth Roy of the Scottish Review). Thank you for the opportunity to comment.Millie Craigohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04689844988988993461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77104444590708032672013-05-10T22:47:57.210+01:002013-05-10T22:47:57.210+01:00Just to let everyone know I don't edit guest p...Just to let everyone know I don't edit guest posts unless requested.<br /><br />While I didn't think the word Nazi was entirely appropriate, I see it was used in the context of eugenics. It was perhaps an unfortunate word to apply, but it shouldn't detract from the essence of the post.<br /><br />subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-24383692607289072932013-05-10T18:44:10.245+01:002013-05-10T18:44:10.245+01:00Te use of the word NAZI to describe a democratical...Te use of the word NAZI to describe a democratically elected government is an affront to all those people who actually did experience living and dying under the real NAZI's in the 1930's and 1940's. <br /><br />They would tell you that there is absolutely no comparison between that NAZI party and today's Scots government and the writer should be utterly ashamed of themselves for using the term NAZI to describe the SNP government of Scotland.<br /><br />It would have been perfectly easy for someone who is literate to express their outrage at something without resorting to such ill-judged language in their diatribe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-3885848902121033272013-05-10T17:48:27.368+01:002013-05-10T17:48:27.368+01:00Thanks for all the thoughtful and helpful comments...Thanks for all the thoughtful and helpful comments everyone. <br /><br />Apologies for being brief but I'm away atm - back tomorrow evening sometime hopefully...<br /><br />I'd use the same or similar "inflammatory" language regardless of which party were "in charge".<br /><br />My sole aim is to draw attention to this Bill and other related issues.<br /><br />I find the Blair e-government agenda and that particular video a good starting point but agree wrt UNCRC.<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-17747716111253082082013-05-10T16:58:57.242+01:002013-05-10T16:58:57.242+01:00Yes I was correct....
UNCRC everywhere on the Bil...Yes I was correct....<br /><br />UNCRC everywhere on the Bill. Good little SNP 'just obeying orders'...<br /><br />http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_Bills/Children%20and%20Young%20People%20%28Scotland%29%20Bill/b27s4-introd.pdfkeep looking uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04154479707846112409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-90368818128104123092013-05-10T16:54:29.209+01:002013-05-10T16:54:29.209+01:00This Bill stems from the UNCRC (UN Convention on t...This Bill stems from the UNCRC (UN Convention on the rights of a child) and predates Blair by a decade. The UK signed it in 1989 I think.<br />People deride the UN as incompetent at their peril. It's a creepy organisation that is following it's Agenda 21 programme towards a one world government with stealth and cunning. Targeting and labelling us from cradle to grave.<br />If you read the SNP Bill you will find UNCRC all over it.keep looking uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04154479707846112409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-82662379156057055392013-05-10T16:19:54.477+01:002013-05-10T16:19:54.477+01:00A good point poorly made.
Fully concur with pa_br...A good point poorly made.<br /><br />Fully concur with pa_broon74, IBSU and Clarinda’s comments.JRBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01864418763227369458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74104987667883432042013-05-10T15:20:39.689+01:002013-05-10T15:20:39.689+01:00The ONLY thing in this post i totally disagree wit...The ONLY thing in this post i totally disagree with is Sheila's use of the term Nazi - most un-Sheila like, I have to say, and it does detract from the rest because people focus on it instead of the horror unveiled to us. Don't be distracted. The system being set in place is vile and very dangerous.earthtracerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12018515955923275010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-32874786420420276842013-05-10T12:10:37.895+01:002013-05-10T12:10:37.895+01:00I'm not a fan of this Godwin's Law thing, ...I'm not a fan of this Godwin's Law thing, it detracts from the salient point with which I happen to agree, quite strongly as it happens.<br /><br />In that regard I'm already won over. What you won't do is win over any more support because the kind of people you want to convince are the moderates who'll be scared away by such scary language - not to mention people who voted for the SNP.<br /><br />Its chopping off your nose to spite your face.<br /><br />It might be more satisfying to give vent to frustrations by deploying such language, in the longer term - it'll not win you any converts. I suppose what I'm trying to say is, what do you want to achieve? Personal satisfaction or more support for your cause.<br /><br />pa_broon74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01915208411019621104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-70960278737344124362013-05-10T11:33:31.738+01:002013-05-10T11:33:31.738+01:00Except that when you act like Nazis, Godwin's ...Except that when you act like Nazis, Godwin's Law most certainly does not apply. Is that too difficult to understand?<br /><br />Anyone interested in this society will have read to the end and will act on it.<br /><br />You, IBSU, can go in the huff and do nothing like 95% of the population.<br /><br />Like they did in Nazi Germany, in fact.Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-83555761245104615452013-05-10T11:32:55.871+01:002013-05-10T11:32:55.871+01:00Watch the Blair video linked to in my previous com...Watch the Blair video linked to in my previous comment. The same agenda is being progressed regardless of which lot are "in power".<br /><br />"Left-wing"/"right-wing", unionist/nationalist, it matters not a whit (as the rest of the post illustrates).<br /><br />Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-26980249118021531212013-05-10T11:32:05.136+01:002013-05-10T11:32:05.136+01:00Beat me to it - IBSU - with Godwin's Law. Such...Beat me to it - IBSU - with Godwin's Law. Such a shame as there may well be suspect interference and mandatory action from unsolicited 'services' into family life. <br /><br />As often happens there are probably genuine cases that require professional and competent well-funded practice to identify, protect and nurture child at risk - but to use a thumping great hammer to treat all children and families with the same degree of inquistition and, what appears to be - assumed guilt - until some operative decides otherwise, is overbearing and unacceptable in a democracy.<br /><br />I have no problem with a genuine determination and discreet professional judgement to practice prevention - but this ersatz, high-handed and coercive enforcement is made even more worrying when the thought of what may be unsubstantiated private and innocent family details are open to potential exploitation via the great electronic highway. <br /><br />The usual effect of the 'blanket approach' often results in those who ought to be identified becoming masked by the bureaucracy of the paper exercise thus rendering the system and process redundant - e.g. so many people now wear Hi-Viz clothing - that they have become invisible! This paper exercise does, however, give lots of jobs to admin and operatives. <br /><br />"Nazi" and "rape" are terms that should not be used when seeking measured redress - although I appreciate the writers obvious alarm.<br /><br />Clarindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189996558442989039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-39022128466036947262013-05-10T10:47:34.793+01:002013-05-10T10:47:34.793+01:00R
I can't believe you let this article be po...R <br /><br />I can't believe you let this article be posted on your blog in this form.<br /><br />Godwin's Law is to the effect that the first person in a debate or argument uses the term Nazi loses the debate by default.<br /><br />The author, Sheila, jumped right in and designated, the democratically elected party of government of Scotland as the Scottish Nazi Party and in bold typeface, just in case we missed it.<br /><br />This is at a time when unionist supporters are describing independence posters as scum , nazis and anti democratic.<br /><br />After that slur I lost the will to read what you had written. Boom, BIG OWN GOAL!<br /><br />There well be many good and serious points written after that unnecessary slur, but most people will be like me and not bother to find out. It was just a rant, rthey will say.<br /><br />I am surprised that R let you write that bit, as I am sure she would have read your proposal and given her experience to the reaction.<br /><br /><br />As I said above, BIG OWN GOAL.<br /><br />Bugger le Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924663556503952533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-23268942673534717152013-05-10T10:32:20.736+01:002013-05-10T10:32:20.736+01:00Point taken Pa Broon bt to my mind this is a lot m...Point taken Pa Broon bt to my mind this is a lot more than nannying.<br /><br />I'm sick of Salmond et al pushing through essentially Blairite policies:<br /><br />http://subrosa-blonde.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/early-intervention-and-universal.html<br /><br />"‘This one about identifying troublesome children in the foetus – this is eugenics, the sort of thing Hitler talked about’ commented Tony Benn at the time - a step too far even for a fellow Fabian it would seem."<br /><br /><br />Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04979034123783374628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-10156579235398711572013-05-10T10:23:55.292+01:002013-05-10T10:23:55.292+01:00While I agree with the thrust of the post, I don&#...While I agree with the thrust of the post, I don't think using such inflammatory terms as the Scottish Nazi Party are going to do your cause any favours.<br /><br />I despise this kind of state-sponsored meddling almost as much as I despise being manipulated by such intemperate language.<br /><br />If you swapped 'nanny' for 'Nazi' you'd have a more attractive point.<br /><br />pa_broon74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01915208411019621104noreply@blogger.com