tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post1858335165257975799..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: London's First Official Plaidsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-79185180300168128112010-01-27T14:47:18.519+00:002010-01-27T14:47:18.519+00:00Evolution Goldsmith style :) I'm watching Lor...Evolution Goldsmith style :) I'm watching Lord Goldsmith's slick performance at the Iraq Inquiry right now.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36994470963678680542010-01-27T14:32:01.467+00:002010-01-27T14:32:01.467+00:00Evolution.Evolution.Furor Teutonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856575077967523322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-54469020106739549522010-01-27T14:10:12.065+00:002010-01-27T14:10:12.065+00:00I wouldn't be surprised Furor, if you look at ...I wouldn't be surprised Furor, if you look at today's over 60s, most will have acquired their further education in their own time and at their own expense over years, during which they worked full-time.<br /><br />"Get out of work for four years" is a modern phenomena. In the 50s it was mainly the wealthy who managed to go directly from school to university, with of course those who were fortunate to gain scholarships.<br /><br />How did we get onto this when the post was about the pleasant new London tartan? :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-91801801980180006582010-01-27T13:47:59.282+00:002010-01-27T13:47:59.282+00:00THAT part was wasted. It was a "fill in"...THAT part was wasted. It was a "fill in" because they did not have three possibilitys in my major, which was Germanic/Prussian/German history. So Scottish ethnology was loaded in to make up. <br /><br />In that it taught "ethnological investigation" it helped with the Germanic history", but if one were to tke it as a major, then yes, it is a waste because except for Haggis and kilts, there is no bloody difference between Scotland and Northern England. And even Northern England had Haggis. EVERY civilisation had SOME form of it. It is how sausage got invented.<br /><br />Kilts as well. The Sachsen (Saxons) had similar.<br /><br />So it really depends on what you class as "education".<br /><br />Some courses are education, others are "get out of having to work for four years" cards.Furor Teutonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856575077967523322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-15436225976809324662010-01-27T13:18:49.408+00:002010-01-27T13:18:49.408+00:00Furor, you were the person who stated your 3 years...Furor, you were the person who stated your 3 years at the school of Scottish Ethnology was wasted, not me.<br /><br />My comment is tongue in cheek and perhaps I should clarify it. I was referring to today when students are partly-funded by taxpayers, because of course that wasn't so in the 60s.<br /><br />I have no problem with education I assure you or anyone improving themselves using the formal education system for that end.<br /><br />You were perhaps more fortunate than many to have grandparents willing and able to fund your further education.<br /><br />You really can't mean your last sentence when you yourself said "Three bloody years wasted...".<br /><br />Learning is only useless if the receiver of the information it provides has little or no interest in the subject.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-90431778860981630892010-01-27T13:05:16.630+00:002010-01-27T13:05:16.630+00:00It's rather a pleasant tartan thought Jeanne, ...It's rather a pleasant tartan thought Jeanne, don't you think.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-66114301055567868722010-01-27T10:04:23.046+00:002010-01-27T10:04:23.046+00:00subrosa said...
Furor, I can see it was a very e...<i>subrosa said... <br /><br />Furor, I can see it was a very educational 4 years spent doing erm education.<br /><br />Pity they didn't have that available, at taxpayers expense, in the early 60s or I could not be q retired scientist (always my intense interest).</i><br /><br />The tax payer did not pay a penny. two thirds came from my Grandparents and the rest from my catch money whilst at sea during the holidays.<br /><br />AND, it was not only the fact I have three degrees that got me the job I am doing now, but because of WHAT the degrees are in. <br /><br />So NONE of it was, as you Brits, terrified of a bit of education always think, "useless learning for learnings sake".Furor Teutonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856575077967523322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-74135436974165009422010-01-27T07:35:05.154+00:002010-01-27T07:35:05.154+00:00Ahem. So the fact that they weren't taken seri...Ahem. So the fact that they weren't taken seriously was why you could be transported for wearing "highland garb"?<br /><br />The earliest examples of cloth with a tartan type pattern discovered in Scotland go back to approximately 900ad although such patterns are not unique to Scotland.<br /><br />I don't quite understand the entire concept. London wants a tartan why? But I suppose if it really makes them happy. *shrug*J. R. Tomlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01109874615059334200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-26365539440038101222010-01-26T20:32:34.288+00:002010-01-26T20:32:34.288+00:00Being acquaint with Scotland Road from the 60s QM ...Being acquaint with Scotland Road from the 60s QM I can well imagine their dissent about wearing a kilt. I've never heard of a Scouse wedding from the Road ever having welcomed a kilt wearer either, but then it's some years since I had association with the area.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31935862633797538062010-01-26T20:30:45.342+00:002010-01-26T20:30:45.342+00:00Don't know about the cap badge suggestion Stra...Don't know about the cap badge suggestion Strathturret, but I would admit to one of the Scots who doesn't take tartans seriously these days. Mind you my ancestors may have a different opinion.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-18067548748642993002010-01-26T20:29:32.464+00:002010-01-26T20:29:32.464+00:00Furor, I can see it was a very educational 4 years...Furor, I can see it was a very educational 4 years spent doing erm education.<br /><br />Pity they didn't have that available, at taxpayers expense, in the early 60s or I could not be q retired scientist (always my intense interest).<br /><br />Never mind, as I've said before yes I agree Victorian times perhaps brought tartan into fashionable society. But then, I expect many were becoming sick of wearing black and the introduction of John Brown and his subtle tones may have been regarded as de rigeur.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-40013948846778667592010-01-26T20:26:26.412+00:002010-01-26T20:26:26.412+00:00I wouldn't take Towe Hamlets as my first choic...I wouldn't take Towe Hamlets as my first choice scunnert, but then it takes all sorts!subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-91985872557879680572010-01-26T17:47:39.510+00:002010-01-26T17:47:39.510+00:00Around forty or so years ago somebody designed a &...Around forty or so years ago somebody designed a "Scouser" tartan. I think the design basis was more Jackson Pollock than traditional. It didn't catch on, largely because in the Scotland Road area of Liverpool it was unwise for a chap to wear a kilt.Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-36803634502041541632010-01-26T16:26:19.218+00:002010-01-26T16:26:19.218+00:00Bonnet badges. But aye. That and sporran badges.
...Bonnet badges. But aye. That and sporran badges.<br /><br />But Clans going into battle would wear, say Oak, or ash or some other tree local to their area as Identification as well. Mc Millans wore Holly, if I recall.<br /><br />A habit that was used by the Germanen, Prussians and Germans as well, right up until the first world war.Furor Teutonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856575077967523322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-26254284159545583392010-01-26T16:10:16.258+00:002010-01-26T16:10:16.258+00:00My history teacher told me that the clans used cap...My history teacher told me that the clans used cap badges to distinguish friend or foe not tartans.<br /><br />The whole tartan stuff was kicked off by Walter Scott. In my opinion real Scots don't take kilts and tartan seriously.Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-25223363282508779332010-01-26T15:45:31.630+00:002010-01-26T15:45:31.630+00:00Strathturret said...
Tartans are all Victorian n...<i>Strathturret said... <br /><br />Tartans are all Victorian nonsense surely? </i><br /><br />Modern tartans deffinately. It was only with the new die industry in the industrial revolution that made the bright colours possible.<br /><br />But before that tartans, or Plaid, was died using the plants that grew in the area. So there were regional differences, and as the Clans normaly controlled such regions, each Clans tartan was slightly different to another.But nothing like you can see today.<br /><br />(Three bloody years wasted at the school of Scottish Ethnology at Edinburgh uni! Had to take three subjects and that was the only one that matched my major of Germanic/Wiking/German history. They made me take sociology in the third year. THAT was interesting. What do you get if you throw a 35 year old ex Military policeman and civvy (Liverpool) copper, from a family where the Grandfather was a German U-Boat commander in WWII, into a gang of fresh out of school wannabe social workers?<br /><br />80%+ in the first exam, and told there was no need to attend classes "if is REALLY did not WANT to (HINT!)"Furor Teutonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856575077967523322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-31287828880940535392010-01-26T15:23:21.965+00:002010-01-26T15:23:21.965+00:00First we take Tower Hamlets - then we take the wor...First we take Tower Hamlets - then we take the world!McGonagallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14887321534801112949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-75199196315941458052010-01-26T12:20:44.907+00:002010-01-26T12:20:44.907+00:00Jings Strathurret, the history of tartan varies so...Jings Strathurret, the history of tartan varies so much it's difficult to say really.<br /><br />Perhaps John Brown made the kilt more a fashion statement, who knows.<br /><br />It's a cloth which is closely associated with Scotland that's for sure these days, but the origins of it may not be based here. Depends who you believe.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-77621958889131108102010-01-26T12:18:10.252+00:002010-01-26T12:18:10.252+00:00Well observed Clarinda. The lad may have been tem...Well observed Clarinda. The lad may have been tempted to use brown to signify the Thames perhaps but decided fairytale blue would be more acceptable, given the political climate there at present.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-80667693046036393052010-01-26T11:41:56.427+00:002010-01-26T11:41:56.427+00:00Tartans are all Victorian nonsense surely?Tartans are all Victorian nonsense surely?Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59852807266472837232010-01-26T11:18:55.638+00:002010-01-26T11:18:55.638+00:00I notice that there is no Brown in the London tart...I notice that there is no Brown in the London tartan?Clarindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189996558442989039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-23761907232187160042010-01-26T10:16:09.749+00:002010-01-26T10:16:09.749+00:00I'm surprised you don't already have one A...I'm surprised you don't already have one ASE. The US has regions with their own tartans along with parts of Canada. Plenty other countries have 'honorary' tartans too.<br /><br />Get a competition going and get in touch with the Tartan Society!subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-51615409711930606002010-01-26T10:12:24.864+00:002010-01-26T10:12:24.864+00:00Tartan bowler hats Edgar? The imagine is wonderfu...Tartan bowler hats Edgar? The imagine is wonderful.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-56132458378667928922010-01-26T08:31:06.480+00:002010-01-26T08:31:06.480+00:00Heritage always has a starting date, so now seems ...Heritage always has a starting date, so now seems as good a time as any. I'm keen on the idea of things with historical significance evolving and staying alive rather than becoming frozen in time. If it wasn't for initiatives like this then the tradition of tartan would retreat north of the border and the only time those of us non-Scots would ever see it would be at Burns Night.<br /><br />Come to think of it, with our extensive links to the Scottish regiments we should get a Gibraltar one. Hmm, thats an idea...All Seeing Eyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671520010496394878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68632515502470193652010-01-26T06:52:11.699+00:002010-01-26T06:52:11.699+00:00Tartan bowler hats and brollies? Dear Lord is abso...Tartan bowler hats and brollies? Dear Lord is absolutely <i>nothing</i> sacred?<br /><br />I would just about swallow it if the Scots would come up with a similar compliment: how about wearing underpants beneath the kilt?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com