tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post159502047979909240..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: The Truth Emerges Albeit Slowlysubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-38883764076935739612010-09-30T01:33:00.938+01:002010-09-30T01:33:00.938+01:00That would be a far better option Del. Our FM goe...That would be a far better option Del. Our FM goes on about thousands of jobs will be created in the renewable industry but what are these folk to do? Engineering skills are required for the better paid jobs and if they've all gone to foreign companies then the other jobs must be far less skilled and therefore much lower down the pay scale.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-90914750470655423522010-09-29T22:48:53.769+01:002010-09-29T22:48:53.769+01:00I seem to remember the previous govrnment blatheri...I seem to remember the previous govrnment blathering on about how green technology would create jobs in the UK, only a matter of days before the wind turbine factory on the Isle of Wight closed.<br /><br />The fact is foreign companies have already stolen a march and have cornered the market. Every time I see a wind farm being installed I see foreign companies employing foreign brought-in labour to do the job.<br /><br />Don't get me started on the huge subsidies paid to wind turbine generating companies.<br /><br />To be honest there's really no benefit to the country having these things at all. <br /><br />Its like all groundbreakers or first-users, you pay a premium to be the first user of the technology. Secondary users benefit from reduced costs as the technology gets established.<br /><br />A better option would be to use a regular natural resource like tidal, but then the eco-loons start to fall out with each other as to how environmentally sound that option is. Not that investing masses of non-renewable energy building a huge bank of turbines swatting migrating birds out of the air is in any way eco-friendly either, but hey, lets not split hars about details.Mark The Skint Sailorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04892877003107509621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-1996036869763306612010-09-29T21:34:29.221+01:002010-09-29T21:34:29.221+01:00Why Virgin Energy Trust Gordon?
If you did a wee...Why Virgin Energy Trust Gordon? <br /><br />If you did a wee guest post then people would contribute their ideas hopefully and I could ask a few other bloggers to promote it too.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-89284182669585835952010-09-29T19:26:48.036+01:002010-09-29T19:26:48.036+01:00@ Alex porter 01:02
"So, eh wars and derivat...@ Alex porter 01:02<br /><br />"So, eh wars and derivatives had nothing to do with bankrupting the UK. ......"<br /><br />Please read the headline and this article.<br /><br />It's about wind farms & renewables, therefore to paraphrase you........"So, eh wars and derivatives had nothing to do with ....."(them).Joe Publichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829909061904690380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-53275214725921301552010-09-29T13:58:40.888+01:002010-09-29T13:58:40.888+01:00Dear Beardie,
about the establishment vetoed takeo...Dear Beardie,<br />about the establishment vetoed takeover of Northern Crock and your aspirations in he financial sector, how would you like to look after several hundred million of disgruntled punter's funds? Maybe more - build a new nuclear power station? <br /><br />Virgin Nuclear?Gordon the Fence Post Tortoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426735271858751220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-54213891960158627642010-09-29T11:57:30.182+01:002010-09-29T11:57:30.182+01:00I'll give it some thought - I think that somet...I'll give it some thought - I think that something disruptive is appropriate. Using utility bills as a vehicle to comprehensively gouge outrageous additional tax funds from the populace on the back of a contrived threat simply isn't on. <br /><br />The real possibility of a tax revolt will get their attention. It would take some setting up though = people and money. <br /><br />Some industrial grade web based CRM software and system admins, a tame bank, a board of trustees - it's a non trivial enterprise. <br /><br />Mind you - a name... as a starter =<br /><br />The Virgin Energy Trust?Gordon the Fence Post Tortoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426735271858751220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-33326799979094833142010-09-29T09:42:52.143+01:002010-09-29T09:42:52.143+01:00Now there's an idea Gordon. If you write some...Now there's an idea Gordon. If you write something about that and email it to me I'll publish it. Just maybe one of the 'big' boys or girls will catch hold of it.<br /><br />The problem is people are dubious and even more so because of the horrendous cost this is to each of us.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-24573965740271388792010-09-29T09:40:51.300+01:002010-09-29T09:40:51.300+01:00Not so cheap in the past couple of years Alex. My...Not so cheap in the past couple of years Alex. My gas bill has increased by 63.5%.<br /><br />But I see what you mean. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-516444631079102012010-09-29T09:34:55.202+01:002010-09-29T09:34:55.202+01:00Thinking about it - if people had real, firm confi...Thinking about it - if people had real, firm confidence that it was bone fide - really sound and honest - it could cause some real change.Gordon the Fence Post Tortoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426735271858751220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-68355641918991610102010-09-29T09:30:46.222+01:002010-09-29T09:30:46.222+01:00Aye, Rosie - I follow both the good if grumpy Doct...Aye, Rosie - I follow both the good if grumpy Doctor and Delingpole - I just felt the need for a small scale futile rant :-)<br /><br />McArmegeddon - Monbiot's Damascene moment was a blip - he's back on the same sorry twaddle as ever.<br /><br />The Italian alta riduzione tax revolts are an interesting case. I'm having difficulty finding documentation but I recall being impressed at the time.<br /><br />Essentially, in Milan I think - the politicians were roundly taking the piss (a la Glasgow) = both the Christian Democrats (factfinding missions to Wagner Operas in Salzburg) and the Commies (ditto to Cuba) wouldn't behave.<br /><br />Some brave folk set up escrow accounts, minded by a few fairly prominent people (A bishop, some academics and a few honest politicians) and (almost - it is Italy) everybody paid their tax into those. They used the interest to buy newspaper space and media slots to harass the thieving creeps and disposed of them in fine style...<br /><br />Could something similar happen here? - I'd like to think so, but I have my doubts... Of course, I'd join up in an instant.Gordon the Fence Post Tortoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426735271858751220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-10307888350890348362010-09-29T01:02:20.345+01:002010-09-29T01:02:20.345+01:00@JoPublic,
So, eh wars and derivatives had nothing...@JoPublic,<br />So, eh wars and derivatives had nothing to do with bankrupting the UK. It was all Kyoto. Ahem..<br /><br />@Rosie,<br />Having oil has made everything cheap. We should be thankful for all those cheap bills :O)<br /><br />You know they're making laptops for $50 in India now. Windmills will go the same way. How many gadgets do you know of that started of expensive and ended up cheap once the technology hit critical mass? Videos, walkmans, PCs, mobiles, CDs.......Alex Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06577153712026023661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-88143099671501696852010-09-28T23:10:16.590+01:002010-09-28T23:10:16.590+01:00I think he did RM, I read it on EU Ref last week.I think he did RM, I read it on EU Ref last week.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-70525012942795142312010-09-28T23:09:47.301+01:002010-09-28T23:09:47.301+01:00There are a few trying hard Gordon, such as Richar...There are a few trying hard Gordon, such as Richard North and Delingpole but more need to shout.<br /><br />It all happened so quickly I think, the introduction of carbon credits. Little explanation of course and just the instruction that this was the way the world was going. A lie of course.<br /><br />That's my problem. I don't get a choice and have to pay the money or freeze.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-65678974851227605472010-09-28T22:34:22.870+01:002010-09-28T22:34:22.870+01:00Gordon...
Did Moonbat not throw in the towel rece...Gordon...<br /><br />Did Moonbat not throw in the towel recently and admit defeat ?<br /><br />http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100054559/we-have-lost-the-climate-war-admits-monbiot-surrendering-his-ceremonial-luger/<br /><br />Our energy needs are being very poorly managed to say the least.<br />British Energy sold off to the French company EDF ( 85% owned by the French govt).<br />Then EDF sell off it's UK power distribution network to Mr Li in Hong Kong. The sale probably due to the lack of support forEDF's attempts at building new nuclear power stations in the UK.<br />Meanwhile that fool '7 homes Huhne' supports building more windmills costing £200Bn ( or take your pick at any cost you like - the sky is the limit for windmill subsidies).RMcGeddonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01665173796157838927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-57743651279959483202010-09-28T22:18:20.223+01:002010-09-28T22:18:20.223+01:00What is simply incredible is the way that ignorant...What is simply incredible is the way that ignorant, innumerate, ill informed berks (politicians <b><i>and</i></b> bureaucrats <b><i>and</i></b> meeja types )are placed in positions to influence and take decisions about this - all the while sidelining, burying, lying and generally ducking informed debate. <br /><br />Putting Homer Simpson at the controls of a nuclear reactor looks sane by comparison. <br /><br />Looking at the Pachauris, Monbiots, Millibands and Huhnes of this world (and I would rather not - but they won't leave me alone) one wonders about the amount of arrogance, dishonesty, delusion and frankly stupidity - required to attain high office in this land.<br /><br />They seem intent on distorting or ignoring the quantified engineering and thoroughly documented environmental issues around the nation's energy requirements.<br /><br />Energy costs are spiraling out of control on the back of this foolishness and far, far more folk are going to freeze to death because of it.<br /><br />I was reading somewhere that the Aussies are sitting on their swollen green tinged utility bills in alarming (for the leccy co + warmist politicians)numbers - I must ask The Angry Exile about this. <br /><br />They are turning utility bills into tax vehicles - the proceeds spent before the money comes in.<br /><br />Another cold winter...<br /><br />This is not going to end well.<br /><br />I recall Italian alta riduzione tax revolts in the 70's - Milan I think. If Monbiot wants his windmills - he can effin pay for them just like his organic veg.Gordon the Fence Post Tortoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426735271858751220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-21147755646808413462010-09-28T21:22:54.489+01:002010-09-28T21:22:54.489+01:00I looked for that evidence when I wrote this Johnn...I looked for that evidence when I wrote this Johnny but couldn't find it. I knew I'd read it somewhere.<br /><br />My friends who live in France say exactly the same. They're laughing at the bills we have here.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-9736783111063024452010-09-28T20:48:28.984+01:002010-09-28T20:48:28.984+01:00the Swedish company who own the wind turbines will...the Swedish company who own the wind turbines will make 1.2 billion over 20 years in subsidies, enough to buy a 1 giga watt French reactor that would produce 13 times more power 24/7 for longer than the life of the wind powered generators, of course no one mentions this side of it. I am SO glad I live in France, they may appear stupid, but when it comes to their infrastructure, they surely know what works, which is why 80% of electricity generation over here is Nuclear.Johnnyrvfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10760738027630644191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-5497800176927304662010-09-28T20:29:53.742+01:002010-09-28T20:29:53.742+01:00And these energy-inefficient systems seem bomb pro...And these energy-inefficient systems seem bomb proof Joe. Doesn't seem to matter how much evidence is now coming to the fore that they're not feasible, they will continue.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-30498694481444275612010-09-28T20:28:04.830+01:002010-09-28T20:28:04.830+01:00Oh I agree renewables do have a place Alex, but no...Oh I agree renewables do have a place Alex, but not at the expense of increasing utility bills beyond reason.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-75867544157413806962010-09-28T18:29:23.518+01:002010-09-28T18:29:23.518+01:00Ah Demetrius, but the pounds continue to flow into...Ah Demetrius, but the pounds continue to flow into the big boys' coffers whether the wind blows or not.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-35782021162418583002010-09-28T18:28:19.844+01:002010-09-28T18:28:19.844+01:00Ah so it was you Richard! I've been looking f...Ah so it was you Richard! I've been looking for that post and couldn't remember whose blog it was. Many thanks.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-83735635265792826832010-09-28T18:27:38.530+01:002010-09-28T18:27:38.530+01:00Very slowly some are getting into the MSM but it&#...Very slowly some are getting into the MSM but it's the people in the street who have to waken up RM. <br /><br />We'll just have to keep at it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-61153564332828025342010-09-28T18:26:17.740+01:002010-09-28T18:26:17.740+01:00Yes Weekend Yachtsman we have, but what is needed ...Yes Weekend Yachtsman we have, but what is needed is one of the 'powerful' to decide to be honest and join us. I await with bated breathe.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-16256649894728525622010-09-28T18:25:16.176+01:002010-09-28T18:25:16.176+01:00I've just watched the 6 o'clock headlines ...I've just watched the 6 o'clock headlines Gordon and there's the brand new Labour leader pushing climate change. Just can't escape the propaganda.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-45587900448864052152010-09-28T18:23:39.139+01:002010-09-28T18:23:39.139+01:00Very clever, Smoking Hot. :)Very clever, Smoking Hot. :)subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.com