tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post1017184548400043491..comments2023-08-10T12:55:23.427+01:00Comments on SUBROSA: The Wealth in Windsubrosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-23210399211228037942010-06-22T01:43:20.761+01:002010-06-22T01:43:20.761+01:00Yes I do remember SE. I couldn't remember if t...Yes I do remember SE. I couldn't remember if that was 2005 or 06 so that's why I didn't date it. The DEFRA site didn't have the info either, just a note to say that all info on it was from the previous government.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-84128334301701491652010-06-21T22:17:00.479+01:002010-06-21T22:17:00.479+01:00Oh, and I missed an opportunity for pointless anti...Oh, and I missed an opportunity for pointless anti-EU carping. The CAP has been with us (or, at least, the EEC members) since 1962, in one form or another. And is still here. And isn't going anywhere. And costs us €millions in over-paid French farmers.<br /><br />Set-aside was actually replaced with the introduction of the "Single Payment Scheme" - remember the one we were fined £75m and Margaret Beckett was promoted for screwing up?Surreptitious Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393411103584747731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-54593234621856072902010-06-21T22:05:23.998+01:002010-06-21T22:05:23.998+01:00Despite JP's comment - which is incorrect in p...Despite JP's comment - which is incorrect in physics terms (you are actually converting electrical energy into gravitation potential energy rather than merely storing potential energy) - 'storing electricity' is done, practically if not semantically correctly, in a number of ways. As RW stated.<br /><br />You can electrolise water to hydrogen and oxygen (and burn them either as flame or in a fuel cell), you can use batteries or capacitors (like McLaren's F1 KERS) or flywheels (like Williams' KERS or <a href="http://www.jet.efda.org/focus-on/jets-flywheels/flywheel-generators/" rel="nofollow">JET</a>. Or you use pumped storage hydro as is done at Cruachan and Foyers. <br /><br />What we don't currently have is enough of any storage to make any sense of wind (pumped storage currently copes with daily peak demand - not the longer term necessary to allow wind to be more than anti-decorational.)<br /><br />It is hard enough to get the basic arguments across to the population - lets not get bogged down in the semantics of thermodynamics and spend idiot-correction (I had written 'educating') time arguing amongst ourselves.<br /><br />If we're going to indulge in pointless endeavour - we can try comparative whisky tastings!Surreptitious Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393411103584747731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-12675509487381565372010-06-21T21:25:43.327+01:002010-06-21T21:25:43.327+01:00Joe I learn something every day. Thanks.Joe I learn something every day. Thanks.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-76327270414866387802010-06-21T17:54:29.612+01:002010-06-21T17:54:29.612+01:00RW at 10:11.
Actually, SR is correct.
Pumping wa...RW at 10:11.<br /><br />Actually, SR is correct.<br /><br />Pumping water up a mountain does not store electricity; it stores potential energy.<br /><br />When the water is allowed to run back down again by gravity, it does so thro' a turbine, which is used to (re)generate electricity.Joe Publichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829909061904690380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-43014909191125490082010-06-21T14:16:54.147+01:002010-06-21T14:16:54.147+01:00I've no idea Jorge. Ah I see Rightwinggit has...I've no idea Jorge. Ah I see Rightwinggit has replied. Thanks.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-44561056620538057592010-06-21T14:09:29.026+01:002010-06-21T14:09:29.026+01:00By regulating the air flow, I would imagine.By regulating the air flow, I would imagine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-38376898947526821292010-06-21T14:02:27.602+01:002010-06-21T14:02:27.602+01:00Surely the "green" solution would be to ...Surely the "green" solution would be to reduce the amount of coal being shoveled into the conventional station when demand is low?? How did they do it before they had any wind turbines?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-59748211091339235032010-06-21T12:19:04.914+01:002010-06-21T12:19:04.914+01:00Also let's not forget that Scotland pays exces...Also let's not forget that Scotland pays excessive amounts to connect to the NG Alex, only to export our excess south.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-89993076216434440082010-06-21T12:17:09.769+01:002010-06-21T12:17:09.769+01:00Another super comment Jayce. Thanks.
I have litt...Another super comment Jayce. Thanks.<br /><br />I have little knowledge about the storage of power although, from knowing local people employed in the hydro industry, it is done to a degree.<br /><br />Dangerous thinking? I would say sensible thinking. Perhaps the multinationals and politicians would think otherwise.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-78000289818715104052010-06-21T12:14:29.762+01:002010-06-21T12:14:29.762+01:00Scottish Power are developing off-shore wind farms...Scottish Power are developing off-shore wind farms. On land windmills can stop if there´s no wind but there´s always wind in the sea. <br /><br />Windmills are becomming a very useful source of energy - around 1, 000 can give the same output as a nuclear plant and 300 as a coal plant.<br /><br />The technology is improving fast and back up from off-shore will do the trick.<br /><br />Let´s not forget that Scotland is not in urgent need of more capacity!Alex Porterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06577153712026023661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-50183531087139967572010-06-21T11:12:06.440+01:002010-06-21T11:12:06.440+01:00Good grief these people really are lazy beyond bel...Good grief these people really are lazy beyond belief or are completely devoid of using any imagination to solve future energy problems that aren't going to remain in the future for much longer.<br /><br />Assuming that wind farms are going to form a measurable contribution of this nations energy needs instead of paying people to produce nothing, why not expand on Rightwinggit, idea of converting the energy into something else that can be used later, storing energy in terms of potential in water at a elevated position is a pretty good idea, since its using proven technology and could(should?) be implemented as a means of storing 'surplus' when demand is out of sync with supply.<br /><br />How about another idea, convert water into hydrogen (& oxygen) via the process of electrolysis?<br /><br />Given all the BS about Carbon/CO2 you'd think that the powers that be would let an idea like this run and instead of a energy system based upon imports from Europe, Russia and the Middle East, we could look to achieve something along the lines of energy independence?<br /><br />Dangerous thinking?<br /><br />(off soapbox)Jayce Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11546864700028185848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-41435896056125213722010-06-21T10:40:09.235+01:002010-06-21T10:40:09.235+01:00Rightwinggit, when I was writing that I did wonder...Rightwinggit, when I was writing that I did wonder, but it was very early this morning and I was too half asleep to do any decent research about it.<br /><br />Many thanks, I've now learned a little more.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-81873652195981341612010-06-21T10:38:37.354+01:002010-06-21T10:38:37.354+01:00We can't have sensible solutions tomandclaire....We can't have sensible solutions tomandclaire. That's not the way these people operate is it.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-14812114003883014322010-06-21T10:36:56.521+01:002010-06-21T10:36:56.521+01:00Now there's an idea Marvo. Our suppliers offe...Now there's an idea Marvo. Our suppliers offer us dirt cheap electric when it's a warm windy day and we can all use the washing machine, dishwasher and whatever else we like for a reasonable price.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-91327087990658916062010-06-21T10:11:23.242+01:002010-06-21T10:11:23.242+01:00Electricity cannot be stored
Er, yes it can, in ...Electricity cannot be stored <br /><br />Er, yes it can, in all kinds of ways..pumping water to a height and then releasing it through a turbine for example.<br /><br />Something about super saturating water with salt rings a bell as well, but I can't remember the process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-16305532837989427942010-06-21T10:06:10.250+01:002010-06-21T10:06:10.250+01:00For every kilowatt of electricity produced by a wi...For every kilowatt of electricity produced by a windfarm, there must be the equivalent in backup from convential sources, i.e. nuclear. It must make sense to put the backup in place before we start relying on wind power?Tom Meinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11556288544174140300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8116690042850060767.post-91480254291631487872010-06-21T09:45:16.064+01:002010-06-21T09:45:16.064+01:00Perhaps we should all leave our lights on?
I'...Perhaps we should all leave our lights on?<br /><br />I've heard some daft things but this one takes the biscuit.Uncle Marvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146362608723100601noreply@blogger.com